uncle bernard

Yeah this is completely different from every conservative in America casually calling the Democrats socialists and communists…..Conservatives compared Obama to Hitler for passing Obamacare lol.

That's the case for the vast majority of these cases. Trying to kill a famous political person is irrational. We shouldn't expect their reasons for doing so to be rational either.

Internet/Gaming culture. He was an internet troll who took the trolling into the real world. Trying to understand his motivation logically will melt your brain the same way the internet likely melted his.

I post quite a bit on other forums and am fairly well-known. Haven't posted on this one in a long time. I don't usually look at wrestling forums on here tbh. This is kind of sequestered as my politics outlet - which is good because I don't drain my energy over this stuff in my actual life.

I love wrestling. I keep my politics and my wrestling posting separate.

The game referenced in the engravings, Helldivers 2, is in the mold of Starship Troopers. The underlying joke or trap of the game is to see if players notice that they are enthusiastically fighting for a fascist regime - in the same way that the "good guys" in Starship Troopers are explicitly portrayed as Nazis. Like most of what we've found out, the shooter is engaging with heavily ironic internet content that is very typical of both far-right and left internet subcultures that congregate on platforms like Discord. https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/the-united-nations-asked-helldivers-2-studio-arrowhead-if-itd-give-a-talk-on-psychological-manipulation-could-we-brainwash-an-entire-community-to-fight-for-a-fascist-state-would-we-be-okay-with-that-turns-out-yeah/ Of course, you might start to wonder how fun it’ll actually be once you consider the implications of dressing players up in fascist uniforms and calling them to arms under the banner of an imperial state to die, die, and die again in the name of democracy. "We asked ourselves, could we brainwash an entire community to fight for a fascist state? Would they? Would we be okay with that? And turns out, yeah, actually," Pilestedt said in his talk.

Succinct explanation of the internet origins of the engravings:

Yeah, I "love" that the government is moving to use his death as an excuse to crack down on left-wing political speech. I "love" that the president got on TV and demonized the left as murderous criminals. His death is a disaster. I don't think he was a good person, but his death is a tragedy in a macro-political sense, but also for his family. By all accounts he was a great husband and father, so I feel very deeply for his wife and children. The videos of him speaking of his daughter and of her running to him are very tough to watch. People are complicated.

Kirk did exactly this actually. Didn't get into West Point and instead of going to another college - which if he was actually qualified for West Point, he would have gotten into most schools - he befriended a wealthy 70-year old conservative activist who bankrolled his early career, which he first built by claiming that "He would have gone to West Point, but an unqualified minority took his spot" with zero evidence (and if you know anything about how college admissions work, you know this is ludicrous). It's actually not even clear Kirk ever officially applied to college or was that interested in attending. He was already starting his career as an online right wing influencer during high school.

It's not a trans kid and all of a sudden you guys don't seem to care about who the shooter is. Hmmm.. By the way, the other shooting from Wednesday, the school shooting in Colorado, was done by an online neo-nazi who idolized the Columbine shooters.

Shane Gillis is very funny (and left-wing) and again, the point of this joke, runs completely counter to your point. It's exactly why top-down, generalized thinking falls apart. Things are more complicated.

What is this data you speak of? And I gave you concrete examples of how leftists do value individualism and merit and you just ignored them. Hell, all the woke stuff you hate is founded on individualism. Not to mention your understanding of wrestling is so shallow. It can be those things for some people, but it's also fundamentally a game that is fun to play. And it's a game where creativity thrives. Playing and creativity aren't conservative values, stereotypically. Hard work is valuable in wrestling. It helps you improve. But I didn't fall in love with wrestling because it made me work hard. That's something I value independent of wrestling and it's something that applies to almost everything in life. Football rewards hard work. Chess rewards hard work. Reading rewards hard work. I fell in love with wrestling because it's fun. I loved competing and working out the puzzles of positioning while my opponent was trying to do the same. I loved crafting an arsenal of moves that fit my natural physical skills and traits.

Dressed as a kid getting a piggy back ride from Trump here: Could be genuine or ironic like the first one.

Dressed as a groyper for Halloween which means he either is one or is sufficiently online enough to know what they are. Either one explains why Kirk would be a target for him. No more visible face in hyper-online political discourse.

They were the foundation of your argument and you insisted that they were valid when people pointed them out. Glad you've decided to stop dying on the hill though.

You still going to insist it was a trans person?

Straight white kid with a retired cop, now minister, father who grew up loving guns and wrote borderline homophobic messages on the bullets. (Also potentially donated to Trump. Still waiting on confirmation that it's the same Tyler Robinson, so set that aside for now.) I was a lot closer than you lol.

I know it's not a 30-06. I was just showing a picture of their bullets as an example. But yes, I jumped the gun. Where I'm different from most on here is I'll admit I'm wrong when new information comes to light.

Yes, seeing this now, so I'll retract. Based on those messages, I did get one thing right. This is an internet-brained person. Potentially a left-wing troll instead of a right-wing troll.

As I posted a few minutes ago, nothing makes you madder than when people post what you say you want them to say. I posted that this was a terrible event. You want me to celebrate the murder because then you can get mad and that makes you feel good (I noticed that spelling of "cum" btw). The only sick fu#k here is you.

What is sick about that?

Good luck! They've already walked back the "ammunition had pro-trans messages" leak because it turns out it was probably a dumb cop not realizing that a very common brand of ammo has "TRN" stamped on it because the manufacturer is named Turan.

It does if you understand the dynamics of the online right. That's why my money is on a groyper. The exact type of young right winger that typically commits violence AND there is a long history of strife with Charlie Kirk specifically. For the groyper movement, Kirk is the face of the "fake white nationalist" who sells out his own race by not being racist enough.

I'm glad you're starting to see the flaws in your worldview. "When you have a prevailing dogma [a stereotype in your case]....and you present facts which take chunks out of this dogma, then you present people with a problem. They can either modify their worldview to include the new knowledge, or discount the new as 'bogus.'" That is exactly what you did in this thread. You presented the common stereotypes that align with your priors as fact and rejected the ones that don't align with your priors as dangerous and incorrect. There's no more justification for "liberals are lazy/don't work hard" than there is for "conservatives are racist." But one is dogma for you and the other isn't. And that's where your thinking stops. The real world never actually comes into play.

Good luck with this with Jimmy. No matter how many times you say what he wants you to say, he'll still pretend you didn't say it. In fact, he actually gets even madder when you do say the right thing.