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No, I’m bothered when people refuse to consider new information. Like dismissing information that goes against what they were first told or what they first assumed. Like dismissing the possibility of voting issues in Georgia in 2020… already proven in some numbers… This week my wife told me an event was x, y, z because she read it on a web site. I had already spoken to the event organizer and had all the details. I shared this, and it had zero effect on her belief. It came up again. Same conversation. I asked how she confidently knows better than what the event organizer verbally told me… Please you can also read the texts. She woke up and said okay, but the site needs updated; it makes her uncomfortable… The number of times she has admitted to being wrong or apologized… same as my middle child… a defensive mech… am trying so hard to demonstrate it’s okay to admit being wrong; to expect it… to grow from it…

I'd love to go back five-six years at work to say "I told you so" to some otherwise very smart people... but what good would that do. When I called out Biden was slow, confused, verbal issues, physical issues... "He has a stutter... he's smart. It's normal. Quit watching Fox News." Nah, I'm watching him at his events... If you are a skeptic and careful observer... you understood the laptop story was real, just like the Biden diary was real, and the mis-information campaigns. Smart colleagues told me it was Russian disinformation and O'Keefe was lying. Would they even remember what they said then? Keep quiet at work. Smile and nod. What else can one do?

This article does a good job of calling out the responsibility of coach. https://www.trine.edu/academics/centers/center-for-sports-studies/blog/2021/the_affect_that_weight_loss_and_weight_classes_have_on_a_wrestler.aspx ---------- With the introduction of weight classes within wrestling it has presented many benefits for the entire sport. With having weight classes, anyone can wrestle and have a fair advantage. Since, the athlete will be facing others that are within a similar range of weights. This advantage has prompted many athletes to start becoming more aware of their weight. But unlike many other sports that use a weight class system such as boxing, fighting, and many martial arts, wrestling will typically compete much more frequently and in a shorter amount of time compared to the other sports. According to Allen (2020), not only is the number of participants greater in wrestling, but the number and frequency of matches is far greater during each season for wrestlers. Wrestlers often adopt dangerous weight loss practices at a young age. These dangerous weight loss practices present many negative impacts on the sport of wrestling and in extreme cases lead to the death of some wrestlers. These deaths associated within wrestling were due to lack of hydration, and malnutrition associated with weight loss. These practices have led the NCAA to implement many changes to the weight classes and weight loss programs. These changes were made in April of 1998 to help wrestlers at the collegiate level, better manage and lose weight in a healthy way (Hanley, 1998). The NCAA’s decision to make changes to these policies were initially intended to help prevent the unhealthy habits of cutting weight that many wrestlers were using. Studies have shown that with the constant weight cutting that a wrestler goes through in a season, it has been linked to a variety of physiological variables that could influence wrestling performance (Finn et al., 2004). Finn et al. (2004) elaborate on the physiological and psychological variables, which include: a reduction in anaerobic work performance within matches; depleted muscle glycogen levels; reduction in lean body mass; an increase in depression and fatigue; and the mood state of the wrestler has been more negative following a rapid weight cut. The effect of weight cutting on a wrestler has only presented even more challenges for athletes competing in the sport. Since wrestling is a vigorous and physically demanding sport activity requiring a tremendous physical preparation as well as the ability to tolerate significant psychological and emotional load (Ransone & Finn, 2020). With the lack of nutrition or hydration an athlete competing in wrestling are experiencing the same stressors as other athletes in other sports, along with the constant fear, and stress associated with weight cutting and making weight for competitions. For a wrestler, losing weight typically will consist of a three- to four-day weight loss period, followed by an immediate binge of food and liquids immediately following the weight-in of a competition (Finn et al., 2004). This style of weight cutting is very similar to the eating disorder bulimia, which includes recurrent episodes of binge eating, followed by the strict dieting, fasting, or vigorous exercise to prevent weight gain (Weinberg & Gould, 2019). Though bulimia is a medical condition that must be diagnosed by a trained medical professional, typical practices of weight loss in wrestling mirror symptoms of bulimia. The popular style of weight loss within wrestling is a major concern for athletes competing in wrestling, and later can develop into a severe case of bulimia or even evolve into a case of anorexia. Therefore, for a wrestler not only are they attempting to compete in an athletic sport, they are also competing in a constant struggle of managing and controlling their weight and mental stability. With all the concerns with weight cutting within wrestling, an athlete will have much more to deal with than many other sports, but these concerns can be resolved through proper training and teaching within the sport of wrestling. These concerns are typically associated with the habits that a wrestler develops during their introduction to the sport of wrestling (Allen, 2020). Therefore, to help eliminate not only the risk of developing an eating disorder due to wrestling, but also the constant mental and physical struggles that an athlete may experience. Proper training and support must be shown at the beginning of the introduction of wrestling, through coaches, parents, and teammates. With the introduction of any sport there is an emphasis on safety. Therefore, a young wrestler and their parents should be introduced to the fundamentals of the sport, alongside the importance of nutrition and hydration associated with making a weight class. This education to the athlete and parents can help them realize the dangers associated with wrestling beyond the physical damage that it can do to the body, but also help illustrate the psychological damage that can be done as well. By educating all members of the sport, the wrestling community can start developing safer and healthier ways of cutting weight. Alongside the initial education of all factors that contribute to physical and psychological damage associated with a wrestler. Wrestlers and their parents should attend meetings that reeducate them on the topic of weight loss and nutrition to reinforce the importance of safety within the sport. With having the athletes and their parents being educated of the potential risk with wrestling, along with the education of eating disorders, nutrition, and hydrations, the next most important to be held accountable for the safety of the wrestler is the coach. When coaching a wrestling team, there are a list of responsibilities that must be achieved to ensure the safety of the athletes and help foster an environment that all athletes are given the best opportunity to succeed. These needs can sometimes overshadow the individual athletes of the sport. Due to wanting to have a complete roster of wrestlers, where you can have an athlete in each weight class. A coach may ask an athlete to drop weight in the pursuit of achieving a full roster. With this strategy the coach is completing their roster, at the expense of one of their athletes. This issue doesn’t help alleviate the current stresses and struggles and athlete may face during their time in wrestling. Therefore, to help the coach support their athletes, each season the coach needs to meet with each wrestler to help develop a plan that establishes what the athlete’s wrestling goals are. This meeting should include discussing with the athlete what their weight class goals are, along with discussing their goals for the season. By doing a meeting with each athlete the coach is protecting their privacy in their ambitions and goals within the sport, along with helping them develop a safe plan to help alleviate the issues that are associated within wrestling. Along with meeting with each athlete, the coach is also responsible for ensuring the safety of the athletes within the practice room. Therefore, as a coach, developing an intense practice that can help athletes manage their weight is important, but also ensuring no athlete goes overboard in their pursuit of weight loss. These pursuits of weight loss may include wearing multiple layers of clothing to help dehydrate themselves, turning the temperature up in the practice room and also refusing to hydrate themselves. As a coach, they must be aware of the environment and the safety of the athlete. Therefore, if an athlete is struggling making weight and resorting to extreme measures of weight loss, the coach should step in and reevaluate the goals of the athlete from the preseason meeting. Since the goal of the coach is to better the athlete and help them perform at the highest level they can compete at. Wrestling is not only one of the oldest sports in the world, but its also one of the most misunderstood sports people can compete in. Throughout the evolution of wrestling, wrestling has become more accessible for any athlete to compete in and find success in, but to accomplish this many physical and psychological concerns were created as well. These concerns led to many changes within how the NCAA handles weight loss within wrestling. However, throughout all the struggles, concerns and boundaries that are presented within wrestling. Wrestling helps foster many important life lessons within their athletes. Through proper education, coaching and support, an athlete can overcome all the challenges that are in the sport of wrestling. Allowing them to be better prepared for the struggles that they will face in the real world. As esteemed wrestling coach Dan Gable once said, “once you’ve wrestled, everything else in life is easy.” References Allen, T. W., D.O., M.P.H. (2020). Prevention of Heat Exhaustion: Focus on Wrestling. International Journal of Wrestling Science, 10(2), 54-56. Finn, K. J., Dolgener, F. A., & Williams, R. B. (2004). Effects of carbohydrate refeeding on physiological responses and psychological and physical performance following acute weight reduction in collegiate wrestlers. Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, 18(2), 328-333. doi:10.1519/00124278-200405000-00023 Fry, A. C., Rubin, M. R., Triplett-McBride, T., Gordon, S. E., Perry Koziris, L., Lynch, J. M., . . . Fleck, S. J. (2001). Physiological and performance responses to tournament wrestling. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, 33(8), 1367-1378. doi:10.1097/00005768-200108000-00019 Hanley, R. (1998, April 14). NCAA rules panel announces changes for wrestler weights. Chicago Tribune, pp. 1-2. Ransone, J. W., & Finn, K. J. (2020). Endocrine biomarker responses during an intercollegiate wrestling season. International Journal of Wrestling Science, 10(2), 32-42. Rutkowska, K., & Gierczuk, D. (2012). Emotional intelligence and the sense of efficiency of coaching and instructing in wrestling. PJST, 19(1), 46-51. doi:10.2478/v10197-012-0006-1 Weinberg, R. S., & Gould, D. (2019). Foundations of sport and exercise psychology. Champaign, IL: Human Kinetics. Sam Burge is a senior Computer Information Science major at Trine University and wrote this blog post as an assignment for SM 393 Sport Psychology.

Recent articles on weight cutting in wrestling. Keeping the examples recent and few... enough to indicate its still an issue. 2018 gets some facts wrong on body fat percentages but nails the experience when cutting is done wrong. "I'd passed out in the pool room." "My coach was screaming at me for weighing in at 113.5 pounds. I had no idea weighing in was that big of a deal, and from that day on my depression and exhaustion began." "I just ate five pounds in food and did the most strenuous activity there is. What would you expect to happen? I threw it all up in the bathroom stall of the high school." - A wrestler https://bleacherreport.com/articles/243379-wrestling-wrecked-my-body 2023: “I have seen people end up in the hospital ... from dehydration, from hypoglycemia, electrolyte imbalance," - University of South Carolina's club, Teresa Moore, a clinical associate professor of exercise science at USC and experienced bodybuilder and powerlifter. https://www.dailygamecock.com/article/2023/02/how-wrestlers-cut-weight-fast-and-the-side-effects-that-follow-sports-hall “Wrestlers rapidly lose weight via dehydration, using saunas, workouts and abstaining from fluids until after they are weighed an hour or two before the match... After weigh-in, they attempt to rehydrate, but complete rehydration takes 24 to 48 hours.” “For every percent of weight lost, wrestlers had an 11% increased risk of injury during competition,” - Erin Hammer, MD, assistant professor of orthopedics, UW School of Medicine and Public Health, sports medicine physician, UW Health, and lead author of the study. https://www.med.wisc.edu/news/college-wrestling-injury-study/ "For a wrestler, losing weight typically will consist of a three- to four-day weight loss period, followed by an immediate binge of food and liquids immediately following the weight-in of a competition (Finn et al., 2004). This style of weight cutting is very similar to the eating disorder bulimia" https://www.trine.edu/academics/centers/center-for-sports-studies/blog/2021/the_affect_that_weight_loss_and_weight_classes_have_on_a_wrestler.aspx

Junior year my cut wasn't bad... We did remote weigh ins then. The night before a local tournament, I noticed our wrestling room scale had been swapped for our nurse's scale. From the way the counterweights worked, anyone could weight exactly 10lbs, 60lbs, 110lbs, 160lbs, 210lbs, etc in 50lb increments. I was truly on weight that night, discovered the scale issue, and weighed in the next morning exactly 10 pounds over. The scales had been swapped back. Coach wouldn't let me wrestle the following weekend either as punishment. "So close..."

Your point is solid... but... Weigh in with all equipment included, no loopholes, keep it simple. It 'builds character' for athletes cutting for tape or braces. Life is hard; stick to a tough rule, no weight allowances or soft fixes. It's easy at 157 if you're 155, gear's no issue. But cutting from 155 to 148 for 149 with gear? That extra pound shows grit. Weight class gaps already allow size advantages...

What’s loud and what’s pressing will win congress, which is not always what’s principled or optimal.

@Cornell Kevin deserves the Hodge for dominating these impossible to find stats.

I get why this might seem hypocritical. Unborn humans haven’t hurt anyone, so they deserve a shot at life, like Psalm 139:13 says. But someone who kills on purpose has gone too far, and texts like Genesis 9:6 and Romans 13:4 suggest they could face ultimate consequences to protect society. The hope is they’ll own up and find forgiveness before it’s done, like in Luke 23:43. It’s about protecting the innocent while ensuring justice for harm. Fewer Christians say life starts at breath or mercy spares killers, while most see the “fetus” as human with rights. We can wrestle in the mud like pigs over in the non-wrestling forum. No more words here in this fine society of college wrestling gentlemen.

When customers chant Performance. Performance. Performance. I pop out like Beetlejuice to Sherlock other folks’ messes, whatever it takes. I prod folks to get rolling and wrestle software gremlins that slow the system. I update the bigwigs, twiddle my thumbs waiting for sluggish user experience reports, and perk up in meetings to nail that one question when Buehler is called.

Timeline of VoterGA’s 2020 Georgia Election Lawsuits (note: VoterGA is non partisan) 2020 November 14-15, 2020: Georgia conducts statewide hand count audit. Four senior poll managers and two audit monitors submit affidavits alleging they handled ballots lacking creases, on different paper stock, not hand-marked, and with identical votes (claims remain unproven). Georgia officials reviewed and found no evidence of fraud. Favorito and VoterGA reject these findings, arguing the inspections were superficial or biased. They claim officials didn’t thoroughly investigate specific allegations, like the affidavits from four poll managers and two audit monitors (November 2020) describing ballots as uncreased, on different paper stock, machine-marked, and identical. VoterGA believes only an independent, plaintiff-led inspection can verify or debunk these claims, as they suspect officials had incentives to downplay issues. 2021 January 7, 2021: Judge Brian Amero issues temporary injunction in Favorito v. Wan to preserve Fulton County’s 2020 election ballots. April 13, 2021: Judge Amero orders Fulton County to produce scanned absentee ballot images for plaintiffs in Favorito v. Wan. April 21, 2021: Judge Amero grants motion to add Fulton County and its clerk as defendants in Favorito v. Wan. May 21, 2021: Judge Amero orders Fulton County’s 147,000+ absentee ballots unsealed for inspection and copying by plaintiffs, to remain in county custody. June 24, 2021: Judge Amero grants petitioners’ motion to add parties in Favorito v. Wan. October 13, 2021: Judge Amero dismisses Favorito v. Wan, ruling plaintiffs lack standing to sue. 2022 July 1, 2022: Georgia Court of Appeals upholds Amero's decision. December 20, 2022: Georgia Supreme Court overturns Amero’s dismissal in Favorito v. Wan, confirming plaintiffs’ standing as voters and taxpayers. 2023 May 11, 2023: Georgia Court of Appeals adopts Supreme Court’s ruling and remands Favorito v. Wan to Henry County Superior Court. May 12, 2023: Judge Amero recuses himself; case reassigned to Judge Robert McBurney. May 16, 2023: Plaintiffs file motion to recuse Judge McBurney for bias. June 2023: State Election Board consent order confirms ~3,000 ballots double-counted in Fulton County’s 2020 hand count audit due to error. December 7, 2023: Judge Jane Morrison Leftridge denies motion to recuse Judge McBurney. 2024 June 24, 2024: Motion filed to substitute parties in Favorito v. Wan for new Fulton County election board members. June 2024: Fulton County requests court lift 2021 injunction preserving ballots, citing storage constraints. Weird given they just began leading a 600K square foot warehouse. July 1, 2024: VoterGA files Open Records Request (ORR) for access to Fulton County’s unsealed ballots. July 10, 2024: Fulton County Board of Elections responds to ORR, stating “no responsive records exist.” July 11, 2024: VoterGA files same ORR with court clerk for unsealed ballots; no reply, request marked as duplicate. August 28, 2024: VoterGA files new complaint, Favorito v. Alexander, against Fulton County for ORR violations. Favorito v. Alexander specifically seeks to compel ballot release, suggesting VoterGA is countering Fulton County’s claim that “no responsive records exist” (July 10, 2024) JUST PRODUCE THE BALLOTS AND WE GET TRUST The problem now is that the ballots were original mandated for retention through Oct/Nov 2022. Fulton County isn’t legally obligated to keep the ballots absent the injunction... and there is constant risk of final dismissal of the injunction. It's damning that 3K errors were already found after "no issues" were repeatedly declared. It's damning that the officials will not release the records they are legally required to do.

That helps! My response triggered by OP's mention of hours... ...and to memory of when I wrestled and coached... when kids weighed in the morning, remote, the night before, only first day of multi day, etc. I'd been out of HS wrestling for awhile. I applied that memory to 2020+ observations of kids starving themselves and cheating the hydration test. In reading my state's HS rules, it opts for weigh-in no more than two hours before each day's session, of multi-day tournaments. That makes it much more effective than what I'd recalled. Is a morning weigh-in required for multi-day tournaments nation wide? (probably open to each state...) Does a finalist weigh in at 8AM even if they free until 6PM for a multi day tournament? (system probably accepts this 10 hour rehydration opp...)

Is there a misunderstanding? Where did I say one hour in my posts? Where did anyone else say one hour in a post I responded to? The only person saying one hour that I can find is you inventing me as having been critical of one hour weigh ins. I talked about matside being great and was confused by your one hour comment. I thought maybe you meant this as an idea rather than matside. Which is a fair idea. But still I can't find the context behind your one hour comment.

My experience is that HS wrestling is lip service and virtue signaling when it comes to weight management. And even when nutrition is taught, the student is undisciplined and impatient. ...and we still have kids cheating hydration tests...

Anyone pass out while lifting? Forget to breathe... plus dehydrated?

For any proposal, I’m asking: Does it advance or undermine the goal of stopping extreme weight cuts? Weigh-ins one hour before each match streamline logistics while leaving too little time to recover from a drastic cut. However, with multiple matches in a day, the system must ensure a wrestler doesn’t hit their weight class for match one and then balloon 5-10 pounds heavier by match three. ...If the weight class is 152, the two wrestlers ought to be less than or equal to 152lbs during the match. ...if a wrestler is worried about making weight mat side, they are at the wrong weight. ...a coach and wrestler talking about nutrition and hydration over a couple pounds is fine; that is definitely not what I experienced as a wrestler or observed for my daughter during HS.

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ …a not so humble brag about legal rigging …genius in some ways

I could go softer and say they don't understand the power behind their authority when discussing weight. If I'm 160 pounds, and the coach says we need you at 145lbs... its a problem. If the wrestler says I can't and the coach says... but you were 153lb last Friday... just go about it the right way. I'm sure you can do it. Then has you weigh in daily and work extra before/after school... Yea the coach wants you to win, and they want to win. The coach isn't saying... you know what... you should wrestle 160lbs. Let's get a nutrition plan and we'll get you down to 145lb over the course of 12 months, if that's what you want, and here are the trade offs (e.g. lost strength, more quickness, etc.). The coach cares... its just their words can result in bad outcomes. Or just allowing a wrestler to self-select to wrestle lower weights... when they see the newly sunken cheeks and low energy... come on coach! Coaching has more responsibility beyond teaching moves and mental strength.

What's your take? Do you believe the poll? Where do you fit on the poll's questions?

Stalling to have cases heard in court is better than... Having votes thrown out and the president selected by congress is grey... not really okay but better than... Seizing power by breaking the law... All can be true while rigging is also true. Remember, Democrats published an article explaining many ways the election was rigged. Its 'admitted' that the unethical common ways of rigging were done, and bragged about openly in this case... What's still unknown is whether Georgia was as bad as claimed... which if proven... completely destroys credibility Was there rigging? yes a lot of 'legal' rigging openly! Was there fraud? yes but unknown how much. Georgia is a big deal.

The claim is that some ballots did not have a crease (no folds at all)... but all mailed responses are folded... so... ??? coming from a 20 year pollster, grandmother, graduate degree from USC, swore under risk of jail... Does everything Red Viking says have a reflection on you? Then stop with comparing every pollster...

This is a repeat of earlier discussion. Trump knew he lost. I'm just going to repeatedly respond that he knew it was rigged. We still don't know all the ways it was rigged, but some we do. Every election has been rigged by both sides, and we can't really know if the 'will of the people' is the election winner.

I'm certain that its third-party looking for unfolded ballots, evidence of fraud as result of... Affidavits: Susan Voyles, a recount auditor, claimed she saw “pristine” ballots... uncreased, perfectly marked, unlike typical mailed ballots. Barbara Hartman, Sonia-Francis Rolle... confirmed, noting ballots didn’t look folded or hand-marked. This suggests machine printing or fraud.

I've never met or spoken with anyone who supports taking control of the presidency by power... not anyone that supports any ideology. Trump... nobody ever. I've only read about it in social media... support to oust Trump by any means and that cheating is worth it... even killing is worth it. And only on social media have I heard that Trumps wants to 'seize power' and be a 'dictator.' Gab was too nuts for me... maybe there were right-of-center calling for it. We at least know there were a few radicals texting about it. Not mainstream to my knowledge...

Have you looked into how many cases were dismissed because they were filed post-election (laches), and how many were dismissed for lack of standing? About 30? You lean on cases where proof fell short, but what about Favorito v. Wan, dragging on since December 2020? It’s still alive after the Georgia Appeals Court revived it in 2023, pushing for a look at Fulton County’s 147,000 absentee ballots. Why the delay? Endless appeals and Fulton stonewalling. And why won’t officials hand over those ballots for an independent check, even after a judge ordered them unsealed? I've brought up this case repeatedly, so I apologize if you have acknowledged and I overlooked it.