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230 - 240 range, I think. A real heavyweight.

Well now that he isn't pretend wrestling anymore I dropped the spurious N.

I always struggle with Earl. He was so dominant in so few matches against such undistiguished competition from only a fraction of the country, it is hard to place him. In 1928 he won two matches against guys who were never heard from again. In 1929 and 1930 he won three matches each year against four guys who were never heard from again, one who failed to AA the other time he wrestled, and one who AAd the next year. And this was at a time when 40% - 70% of the bracket AAd. But I am feeling generous. Since he has the fastest pin fall in NCAA history, I will bump Mocco, and slot Earl in at #5. And before you protest about the all mighty pin fall, be sure to review the rules in the 20's and 30's.

By 2, I mean 3

I love the open ended nature of this question. You can view the question as who was the greatest heavyweight in college using only college achievements. Or who was the greatest heavyweight in college using all achievements while in college (i.e. international results). Or who was the best heavyweight in college using a lifetime of results. Or who hit the highest peak in college while wrestling heavyweight. Something for everyone. If you only want to focus on college results, then it seems a logical starting point is to examine the list of four time all-americans first. There have been 12 wrestlers who AA'd 4 times at heavy (sorry Kyle Snyder), starting with @ionel's hero, Dick Hutton. The case for Steveson has to be based on highest high rather than any sustained success. But if that is the criteria I think Snyder pips him. Steveson has 2 AAs, 2 titles, and an Olympic Gold while in college. Meanwhile Snyder has 3 AAs, 3 titles, and an Olympic Gold while in college. Do you ding Snyder for having his gold at 97kg, or do you acknowledge that 97kg (~213 lb) is still heavy in college? For me I have Snyder, Steveson, Hutton, Haselrig, and Mocco as my top 5.

As I have often used identical criteria, I withdraw my objection, your honor.

It is fair to say he was also a D2 wrestler, just as he was also a D1 wrestler, as evidenced by those three D1 titles. Using today's distinctions to quantify the past often does not work.

Coulda sworn we had a Non Wrestling Topics forum

A guy with 1965 in his username is worried about giving away his age?

No, it makes me Sgt. Hulka, the big toe of the army.

Lighten up, Francis. The Babylon Bee is satire.

How many times have my lawyers crushed you already? Why do you want to come back for more?

Ideally NCAA final.

Is there a more exciting match up than Andrew Alirez vs Jesse Mendez at 141 this coming season?

These ranking series events are problematic if you want to take them seriously. To perform optimally, you should get there about a week ahead of time to get over the jet lag and acclimate to the time zone. That is not just time consuming, it is very expensive. If you are just going to show, not worry about performance, and collect some minimum points it is less so.

I don't know if this is 4.38 speed, but man he has some wheels on him. Just ran past a lot of people who thought they had an angle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjayGmL94Y

I did not realize that either until watching this. Gotch and Hackenschmidt were a couple of scary dudes.

Yeah, but he couldn't beat Conan the Destroyer on his home court.

Wait a second. Common sense prevailed? Maybe all this litigation against the NCAA is paying off. Now imagine they had just been reasonable in the first place...

Both BJJ and submission grappling are offshoots of catch according to the doc.

And they have one kid who saw me in my Penn State swag and looked at me with contempt. That is what made the experience great. Oh, and that time Kemerer almost beat Starocci at the buzzer and the place exploded with a sound so loud it made me dizzy. No, but it is the contemptuous kid thing.

I have been there a couple times. Highly recommended.

To unionize, be subject to right to work, and at-will employment the athletes would have to become employees first. This is something the NCAA has fought against successfully....so far.

The NBA is on the verge of signing a $70+ billion dollar media rights deal that will nearly triple their annual take even though their viewership has been in steady decline. With the skyrocketing valuation of any live sports programming it really is inevitable that college football and basketball would become big business.

A mandate providing a significant portion of the content for free IS providing broadcast rights for less than what they are worth. All that achieves is providing even larger profits for broadcasters (they have no cost) thereby moving the money further away from the athletes who provide the live entertainment that is the single most valuable commodity in the world of broadcast/streaming today. The impact of money on sports is not a new concern. From the 1928 National Collegiate Athletic Association Official Intercollegiate Wrestling Guide: "Extend the foregoing argument that the influence of professionals is condemnatory and it becomes applicable to practically every known sport. One might just as fitly stigmatize tennis, football, baseball ad lib as being attainted, because the "root of all evil" sometimes grows into a giant and casts its shadow over almost every human activity." But I do not see how you can un-ring that bell. The money is here, and it is not going anywhere. We live in a country dedicated to economic activity. This is just one more example.