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The Last Chance tournies appear to be a thing of the past.

Au contraire From the 1931 rules: RULE XIII. Falls. 1: Pin Falls. Pin falls only shall count. (Flying or rolling falls shall not be considered. Any part of both shoulders held in contact with the mat for an appreciable length of time constitutes a fall. (By an "appreciable length of time IS meant the Referee's silent count of two seconds. )

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A couple other things I found odd. Gable Steveson was not unanimous. Since they throw out the high and low that means two coaches voted him #2 Stephen Buchanan is still not unanimous, though he did pick up one more first place vote this time. Levi Haines was a unanimous #2 last time, but with O'Toole not eligible he is not a unanimous #1 this time. But 174 is wild in general. Once you get past the top 3 there is very little separation in the next 4, meaning Thomsen, Kharchla, Ruiz, and Cramer were all over the place in the voting. Shapiro is the largest high ranked deviation between the coaches and Intermat/Flo. And as a result there is very little separation in the top 5 at 157. It is the tightest bunched weight at the top. Drake Ayala is the least certain #1 with only 455 of 462 possible points.

Kai Orine - not enough matches at 133 (5) Sammy Sasso is not listed at 157 even though he appears to have 9 matches at the weight Paddy Gallagher - not enough matches at 165 (2)

The NCAA did update the criteria for what gets included in RPI.

Forgot about him. He gets picked off by the "at least match in the last 30 days" criteria. Who else is in that bucket?

makes sense. missed that.

Bad Losses was added as a subjective criteria in 2023. SUBJECTIVE CONSIDERATIONS (Added in 2023) • Bad losses (Under .500% win percentage). • Outside the top 30 Coaches Rank and/or top 30 RPI. • Conference champion. • Performance in last five matches (including conference tournament). • Number of injury default or medical forfeit wins/losses. • Best quality win. • Wrestler availability (Injured or medically unable to compete).

At the risk of being that guy again....quality wins were redefined in 2017 to be a win over anyone in the field. So it isn't enough to earn an allocation for the conference, you have to earn one of the spots too.

Ryan Crookham 133 Jacori Teemer 157 Mickey O'Malley 197 Edit: Stiles is 11-4. He must not be in there because he did not get enough votes, or he was not designated as the starter by the coaching staff. Though both seem unlikely. Maybe an administrative error?

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CR is down to 10% and conference placement is up to 15%

2023 125 had Lee #1, Cronin #3, Ramos #4 285 had Parris #1, Kerkvliet #3, Cassioppi #4 It happens most years at one or two weights. But my favorite is 2017 165. The top 4 were all B1G. Martinez, Massa, Joseph, and Jordan. But I do not think we will see that again because they now use the selection criteria as the seeding criteria.

You can get mad for free. I have a free account. The paid account gets you DM and access to premium content of some sort. When you find yourself all lathered up you can come back here and take it out on me.

It seems difficult for you. Your graph goes to 4.

I think it may be both

Corby thinks it is about extra matches

I was looking at the new Selection Criteria Grid for this season and I noticed this addition: Eligible Matches Only results from nontraditional events that are registered in the NWCA Optimal Performance Calculator (OPC) system by September 1, and contested before January 1 of the respective academic year, shall be considered for selection and seeding for the Division I Wrestling Championships. Additional Comments This modification clarifies that the committee will not consider results from nontraditional matches that have become more common later in the season. This is consistent with the value the committee places on traditional formats, (dual meets, individual/dual advancement tournaments), and conference tournament participation to meet the selection criteria.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2024-25D1MWR_QualifierAllocationCriteria.pdf There is nothing in there about changing the criteria from the first to the second set of coaches' rankings. The 15 match requirement is for RPI.

I spoke too soon. Apparently mathing is hard. (20+(5*2))*10=300

I was just about to respond with something similar. The question was not who is better (what I think DiBatista was talking about), but who was better than their competition by the most. More of a differences in differences analysis than a straight comparison. That said, a very valid objection is that in the early days not many teams made the trip to the NCAA tournaments for a variety of reasons. It was mostly down to finances, but there was even a year where many east coast and midwest teams were no shows due to local flooding.

Take a perusal of the Iowa media guide. It has some great detail on their seasons. https://archive.org/details/iowa-wrestling-2023-24-media-guide-2023-11-c/page/93/mode/2up

yep. see it aint that hard.

Because scoring has changed radically over the years, I find it best to do these comparisons in percentage differences rather than absolute differences. You can define dominance a bunch of ways. Here are two Top 20 lists. If largest margin of victory is your thing then it looks like this: In the 1930s the only way to score points was to place in the top 3 or via pinfall. There were no advancement points or other ways to score bonus. In that era first place was worth a whopping 56% of placement points (it is worth 24% today). So the 30's really was a winner takes all era. That Sanderson's PSU, Gable's Iowa, and Smith' Oklahoma State teams are even on the list is pretty remarkable. Another way to look at it is by the percentage of the total points available to be scored. Currently, the max score for a team is 300. PSU's 172.5 is 57.5% of that max. Reordering by % of max available yields very different results. Now the Gable era teams get the respect they are due. By this metric Dan Gable has the top 5 teams of all time, and 11 of the top 20. While only his third highest total, Gable's 1991 season is actually his most impressive. Scoring changes made it possible to score more in 1986 and 1997, but based on this metric, those are less impressive. Sanderson's 172.5 still ranks above Gable's 170, but still comes in sixth. And check out Jim Gibbons. Dude could wrestle with the best, color commentate with the best, and coach with the best. The early days Oklahoma State teams disappear from the list.