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I would do it for 19

So then you should be against it.

I feel like the lower leg count should be cumulative instead of restarting the count each time.

Record breaking NIL sounds like Oklahoma State to me.

You struggle with the difference between "should be avoided" and "banned".

I was wondering the same thing. Is this one of the planks of Project 2025 that Trump said he knew nothing about?

OK. So who won? Well, its complicated. There are at least three ways you can answer that question, so let's look at all three, shall we. Most Correct Matches You can only get ten right. So in the name of symmetry there were ten posters who got ten right. I want to thank @TylerDurden, @Techfall, @PortaJohn, @Nittanychris, @ionel, @CGriff, @AZ_wrestling, @666, PSUWrestling2425 (on HVI) and psu0408 (HVI) for keeping things neat and tidy. But wait. It turns out you can get ten correct and still not get them all right. psu0408 was feeling his oats a bit and added an eleventh category (which he got wrong - sorry, no points deductions - EXCEPT FORE YOU), so I am sorry, but he is eliminated from the competition. The True Iowa Homer Award goes to... Lets pause a moment to recognize a true individualist. In this age of social media driven peer pressures it can be so difficult to swim against the tide of popular opinion. So when a true hero emerges, we must celebrate him. While @Mr. PeanutButter may have lost this particular competition by traditional standards, he is not a hidebound traditionalist. His bravery has won over the heart of every true Iowa wrestling fan. And what could be more important than that? Well, bragging rights, of course. But "True Iowa Homer" is probably second best? It Is A Team Sport, Dummy (I have heard so many times. Mostly the dummy part but...) Award At the end of the day it comes down to the team score. So who was closest to the pin? As previously reported, our own TylerDurden takes the prize. Seer of seers, prognosticator of prognosticators. For the rest of the year all his predictions have the weight of law. He shall not be questioned. When his statements contradict known facts, it is the known fact that shall give way. Look on TylerDurden's Works, ye Mighty, and despair! The Lee Corso Award For Attention To Detail (or maybe it will be named the Two Wrongs Don't Make A Right Award) Award Ya know...about this team thing....isn't the final score the sum of the individual scores? And shouldn't we see who came closest there? Lee and I are glad you asked., If we sum of the individual deviations we get a better sense of who was "right" by not allowing two wrong answers to offset each other. @Techfall, step to the front of the class and take your bow. Wisdom (?) Of The Crowds Not so much. Unlike in years past the crowd was not very wise this year. With a final predicted score of 25.5 to 7.7 the Iowa portion was fine, but lack of faith in PSU to ring the bonus point cash register is frankly disappointing. Anyone using us to bet the spread (20.5, I think) would have taken a big L on the bet. We promise to do better next time. And as always, thank you all who participated. The Crowd not previously mentioned: @VakAttack @Spencerlee @PSUDad97 @MidwestMan @meZYNbrink @JPack @Interviewed_at_Weehawken @Hillbilly Jim @Gage @Dogbone @BruceyB @BIGTENFANBOY @BarSeries @BAC @Truzzcat @RawDog @Ragu @Pish @Pinnacle @nhs67 @Le duke @Jimmy Cinnabon @Husker_Du (though you made me work for it) @Gus @Gene Mills Fan @flyingcement @fishbane @CHROMEBIRD @bnwtwg @BloodRound @Barracuda141 @1032004 @RandolphTJones Same time next year (B1G schedule permitting)?

Lets pursue the circularity of your argument. Starocci beating Griffith and Lewis is clearly unimpressive because neither were good enough to beat Starocci.

Did Pat Smith, Yianni Diakomihalis, Aaron Brooks beat an NCAA champ? Four timers typically do not beat any NCAA champs because they are the NCAA champ.

I always find the "if he hadn't lost, he would have won" argument compelling

No

Harsh. I am not prostrating myself at all. I do not care for how he handles himself. But in spite of that, I can acknowledge he is one of the greatest folkstyle wrestlers of all time and wonder why. As for Ferrari, he may be a true freshman, but he is not undersized or physically outgunned. He was mentally outgunned, though. He came out with a poor strategy and lost points as a result. Starocci's success is not coincidental, luck, or favorable calls from the ref. He wrestles too many matches just like this one, and wins them all, for that to be true. His mental approach to folkstyle is superior even while his mental approach to everything else is problematic.

This is pure pop psychology and speculation. I have nothing to support it other than my over active imagination. I feel like Starocci goes into every match knowing, with absolute certainty, he starts with a 3 point lead. The first point comes from his confidence that he can apply enough pressure in nuetral and flatten his opponent out on top that he will 100% earn two stall warnings and a point. The second point comes from his belief that he will earn the riding time point. And the third comes from his belief that he will deny his opponent an escape point by putting in a two minute ride in the secomd or third. If he fails in the pursuit of one of these three then it is his own fault. He can worry about scoring in other ways if he needs to. But at the outset he never believes he will need to. This gives him the option to wrestle conservative when it suits him because he is already leading even when the score is 0-0.

No. There are a bunch of threads every year bemoaning how duals don't matter any more and that needs to change. Now we have a rule that lets redshirt freshman participate in those duals. If you make their individual results not count then you have to rescore the dual too. It is not tenable to have a result count for the team, but not the individual.

I know it is a technicality, but the Jenn lose does not count. Ferrari's lose gets recorded on his form (I forget the name) and submitted to the NCAA.

The most in the 10 weight era is 6. Oklahoma State did it in 1962 and 1964. Iowa did it in 1986, 1991, and 1997. Penn State did it last year.

Your gain.

Touchay. This always putts mee in minde of a lyne from Demetri Martin, "correcting grammar is the most effective form of birth control."

Ferrari just had a bad plan to start the match. He went to the edge, well past the edge, in the hopes of not giving Starocci room for a TD while giving himself room to counter any shot. I put it down to too much respect for Starocci. He grew into that match. If he had realized sooner he could compete with Starocci, so that he does not get the well earned stalls, then perhaps he can win it. No guarantee, but perhaps. He certainly looked strong enough, fast enough, and flexible enough. We still do not know if he can get through Starocci's elite defense. And maybe if he took early shots he would have gotten countered. But maybe not. Unfortunately for him there does not look like there will ever be a rematch to find out.

No, because that lose goes on the official record.

We agree. You are confused.

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You are too fast for me. I edited it right away, but not right away enough.

Yeah, I think that is an old article that they lightly update every year and put a new posting date on. WIN Magazine has it different.

1 date left. SS counts as 1. I think Nebraska makes sense too, to help with Big10 seeding, but Plott (Ok St) is higher ranked than Allred, so maybe that helps with NCAA seeding.