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Yeah, right dude. So, you come on here, hey I heard something. Then nothing else? And you said something about attention whore? It has nothing to do with Cartoon Characters. What is wrong with saying, I heard a RUMOR. Let me repeat, no facts behind this, just a Rumor. I heard XYZ and it came from that jackass minnow and Paliciao, two idiots that beg for attention. I hope it is not true, but this is what I heard....Do you think coming on here and doing what you did is better than that? It is a F'g wrestling forum. You don't have to START RUMORS, I get wanting to state facts, but if facts were that important, then don't post ANYTHING. MOST people that are in the wrestling community heard this yesterday, just like you did.

I'd like to consider another entry...Dreshaun Ross. He's never going to have the same type of wins as it's just...not the same, there aren't the same numbers for a Jr HWT to come in and beat multiple National Champs at HWT and conversely, he's just not going to have as many elite level Wrestlers all bunched in together, but if he is all in on Wrestling, he would be the guy I'd take. I think he's going to be a more athletic Tommy Rowlands...and perhaps a bit bigger.... if he really focuses on adding good weight. To have a HWT who could be a 4X AA and 2...maybe 3X NC, I might take that over a 157 or 141 who has marginally higher placements just because it seems easier to find guys who can get you points at those weights then at HWT.

I found this study done by the NCAA on sports sponsorship and participation rates: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/sportpart/2024RES_SportsSponsorshipParticipationRatesReport.pdf When viewed across all levels, D1 thru D3, wrestling has bounced back from its nadir. The number of teams bottomed out at 217 in 2010. At 275 as of 2024 the total number of teams is 27% higher than 2010. Meanwhile, the average roster size has ballooned from almost 22 in 1982 to over 32 in 2024. All Levels Are Not Equal, Though Total D1 teams has leveled off just below 80. While roster size has grown from 29 just before the worst times, to 35 in 2024. D2 is a Different Story Both the number of schools sponsoring wrestling and average roster size has grown significantly. In fact, at 73 schools sponsoring, 2024 was the highest total in the range. Similarly, average roster size was at an all time high. D3 is Another Success Story There has been a steady increase in sponsorship since 2012. And while not at 1982 D3 levels, there are more D3 schools sponsoring wrestling than either D1 or D2. That has not prevented average roster sizes from growing to all time highs either. Putting the Three Together Thanks to the strength of D2 and D3, overall participation is at its peak in the time period. D3 participation passed D1 in 2013 and has not looked back. D3 now has 35% more participants than D1. And D2 is poised to pass D1 in the next few years. At current rates that should happen in five to six years. Where Do We Rank? Kind of in the middle. Of the 29 sports listed, wrestling had the 11th most schools participating in 1982 and the 12th most now. Wrestling also had the 8th most participants, and has the 10th most now. That's right. Swimming just passed wrestling. Sorry guys. (Let us not speak of Diving). Tennis used to be the bomb, but has stood still and gotten passed by a lot of other sports. At least we are not gymnastics. Oof.

I think what you are saying makes sense. But these guys aren't considered great because they are doing more than other age level guys. They are doing more than guys 5 years ahead of them. Great college guys like Hamiti and Keckeisen didn't win after 5 years of college. Even if Jax somehow had zero improvement ahead of him he's already doing stuff that NCAA champs 5 years older than him aren't. So take away his HS age advantage, his training advantage, and compare him to 23+ year old men and he still crushed the field. The same is mostly true of Blaze. They have gone to the highest level of American wrestling and held their own or won. They are basically world level already. The same can't be said for any other 18/19/20 year olds in the USA, even after giving a year of college to normalize age and training.

I bet there is a recruiting bump from this. Quite literally one of the nicest thing you could do for someone.

Gradually started before this but the big shift came in the 90's with the rise of Howard Stern and Jerry Springer. It culminated with the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal. Meaning the public was ready to shed the US "morality myth" that made it's last stand in the 80's.

lisa, you're 5 seconds from being banned. you offer nothing.

LOL. Right. You posted the post and thought — ‘this won’t make people curious, only those that know facts will see it and will reply. No one will dig in and no one will start posting about the topic.’ I can tell you are a deep thinker.

It’s crazy you always know someone with that opposite point of view. It’s almost unbelievable. For every story.

This sounds like the thought process of somebody that never won the Hilltopper Classic School Boy division.

Good point. The stuff a guy like Gross or Askren does is much more duplicatable for the average Joe.

After someone pays 30-40 years of property taxes, the next generation can pay for schools, roads, police…

Yes that is correct:

Kudos, Coach !

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Property is a limited resource so absolutely yes we should pay property taxes. When you own a property that's a property that somebody else can't access. Property taxes should actually be HIGHER for this reason. Replace the sales or possibly income tax if you want because this is the KING of all taxes. People hide income and other assets all the time to avoid taxes but you can't hide your property. THATS WHY ITS THE KING! And I say this as an owner of multiple properties.