Help tracking down some scores

[Pablo]

I use Flo and Trac for gathering scores for Pablo rankings, and sometimes there are formatting issues.  The biggest problem I find is that the scores are shown as tied.  Or are they mistakes?  I don't know if these are matches that went through all the tie-breaking and ended being decided by riding time (although I don't know, if that happens, is the final score listed as a tie or do they give the winning wrestler one point?)

Nonetheless, there have been a lot of matches this year that have been recorded as a tie score, even though someone won.  I could really use some help tracking these down, if anyone is willing and has some time to kill.  The format is, date of the match, weight, team and winning wrestler (whoever trac or flo called the winner), their score, and then the weight, team and losing wrestler (all these are ties).  If you know of the real answer, please reply.  I've got a couple of sets of data to keep it manageable

 

 

Edited February 24 by Pablo

[Pablo]

11/2/2025,141:North Carolina_Jayden Scott:1,141:Presbyterian_Ryan Luna

11/2/2025,184:Clarion_Adrian Gacek:0,184:EAP_Reese Spiro

11/8/2025,184:Utah Valley_Caleb Uhlenhopp:5,184:Iowa State_Tate Naaktgeboren

11/9/2025,285:North Dakota State_Drew Blackburn-Forst:2,285:North Dakota State_Shilo Jones

11/22/2025,141:Campbell_Zander Phaturos:4,141:Missouri Baptist University_Daryl Mills

11/22/2025,184:Air Force_Josh Cordio:2,184:Northern State_Tyson Lien

11/23/2025,141:Air Force_Brenden Barnes:0,141:Utah Valley_Smokey McClure

11/23/2025,165:Army West Point_Micah Hanau:1,165:Buffalo_Brady Unger

11/23/2025,174:California Baptist_Timothy Cowan:0,174:Menlo College_Isaiah Morales

11/23/2025,174:Rutgers_Lenny Pinto:2,174:Drexel_Jasiah Queen

11/23/2025,197:Air Force_Owen Heiser:0,197:Stanford_Luke Duthie

11/23/2025,285:Air Force_Antonio Ramos:0,285:Oregon State_Charley Hastriter

11/23/2025,285:California Baptist_Hunter Vander Heiden:0,285:Oregon State_Charley Hastriter

12/5/2025,141:Northwestern_Billy DeKraker:2,141:Navy_Caedyn Ricciardi

12/5/2025,184:Iowa State_Isaac Dean:2,184:Ohio_Sal Perrine

12/6/2025,184:Kent State_Holden Martin:3,184:Central Michigan_Cody Brenner

12/7/2025,141:Spartan Combat RTC_Elijah Cortez:2,141:Maryland_Ryan Kennedy

12/7/2025,157:Rutgers_Conner Harer:1,157:Maryland_Kal Miller

12/14/2025,141:Rider_Elijah Griffin:0,141:Oklahoma_Tyler Wells

12/19/2025,133:Northern Illinois_Markel Baker:0,133:Oregon State_Gabe Whisenhunt

12/20/2025,133:Drexel_Kyle Waterman:0,133:Cal Poly_Anthony Lucio

12/20/2025,133:Missouri_Gage Walker:1,133:Spartan Combat RTC_Isaiah Cortez

12/21/2025,133:Hofstra_Gauge Shipp:0,133:Virginia_Aiden Allen

12/29/2025,157:Rutgers_Conner Harer:2,157:Maryland_Kal Miller

[Pablo]

1/3/2026,133:American_Max Leete:6,133:Cornell_Tyler Ferrara

1/3/2026,149:Morgan State_Eugene Harney:9,149:Oklahoma State_Kolter Burton

1/3/2026,165:The Citadel_Thomas Snipes:2,165:Navy_Dylan Elmore

1/4/2026,125:West Virginia_Louie Gill:6,125:Purdue_Ty Henderson

1/9/2026,184:South Dakota State_Brock Fettig:2,184:Harvard_Matthew Walsh

1/17/2026,149:UNC Pembroke_Jackson Lambert:5,149:Gardner-Webb_Gage Helms

1/24/2026,165:The Citadel_Parker Kearns:0,165:Virginia Tech_Ben Weader

1/24/2026,184:The Citadel_Jet Galbreath:0,184:Virginia Tech_Gunnar Garelli

1/25/2026,285:Brown_Alex Semenenko:2,285:Cornell_Ashton Davis

1/30/2026,125:Virginia Tech_Eddie Ventresca:2,125:NC State_Vincent Robinson

1/30/2026,149:Duke_SP O`Donnell:0,149:Virginia_Jack Myers

1/30/2026,285:Nebraska_AJ Ferrari:1,285:Penn State_Cole Mirasola

1/31/2026,174:Iowa_Leister Bowling:2,174:Wisconsin_David Mitrovich

1/31/2026,174:Virginia_Emmitt Sherlock:2,174:Central Michigan_Brayden Gautreau

1/31/2026,174:West Virginia_Michael Baldwin:1,174:Central Michigan_Brayden Gautreau

1/31/2026,197:Sacred Heart_Kevin Taylor:2,197:West Virginia_Coen Grimm

2/6/2026,125:Oregon State_Maximo Renteria:0,125:Arizona State_Damian Moreno

2/8/2026,125:Chattanooga_Cooper Flynn:0,125:Campbell_Colby Crouch

2/8/2026,174:Bucknell_Myles Takats:8,174:Navy_Danny Wask

2/13/2026,174:Northern Colorado_Murphy Menke:2,174:Wyoming_Riley Davis

2/15/2026,157:Wisconsin_Luke Mechler:3,157:Michigan_Cameron Catrabone

2/22/2026,285:West Virginia_Elijah Hunter:1,285:Maryland_Jackson Schwab

[PortaJohn]

4 minutes ago, Pablo said:

I could really use some help tracking these down,

Wrestlestat.com has everything you are looking for

[Pablo]

17 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Wrestlestat.com has everything you are looking for

Works ok for duals (although it would nice to have obvious dates) but I can't access tournament results and that is most of them

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Works ok for duals (although it would nice to have obvious dates) but I can't access tournament results and that is most of them

It would be a pain but you could go through each wrestlers profile that provides all the info (score, date, etc)...Maybe reach out to cowcard or wrestleknownothing.  They've got the goods

[Pablo]

6 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

It would be a pain but you could go through each wrestlers profile that provides all the info (score, date, etc)...Maybe reach out to cowcard or wrestleknownothing.  They've got the goods

That's why I asked here....if anyone wants to help I would appreciate it.

[MPhillips]

49 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Duke_SP O`Donnell:0,149:Virginia_Jack Myers

Result: SP O'Donnell (Duke) def. Jack Myers (UVA) - Medical Forfeit

https://www.google.com/search?q=Duke_SP+O`Donnell%3A0%2C149%3AVirginia_Jack+Myers+wrestling+results&sca_esv=dbb6f4e1ffc1e896&rlz=1C1GCPS_enUS1182US1189&sxsrf=ANbL-n67TYDHmy0u8KSJac0r778--f944Q%3A1771949552058&ei=8M2daYGqA8OyptQP8sGA-Qk&biw=1920&bih=945&ved=0ahUKEwiB4vC8wvKSAxVDmYkEHfIgIJ8Q4dUDCBE&uact=5&oq=Duke_SP+O`Donnell%3A0%2C149%3AVirginia_Jack+Myers+wrestling+results&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiPUR1a2VfU1AgT2BEb25uZWxsOjAsMTQ5OlZpcmdpbmlhX0phY2sgTXllcnMgd3Jlc3RsaW5nIHJlc3VsdHNIti9QvwRY_yxwAXgAkAEAmAFJoAHUCKoBAjE4uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIAoAIAmAMAiAYBkgcAoAfYAbIHALgHAMIHAMgHAIAIAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

 

[MPhillips]

53 minutes ago, Pablo said:

South Dakota State_Brock Fettig:2,184:Harvard_Matthew Walsh

3-2 Fettig over Walsh...

https://www.wrestlestat.com/compare/wrestler/84478/walsh-matthew/78891/fettig-brock

[BigRedFan]

12/20/2025,133:Missouri_Gage Walker:1,133:Spartan Combat RTC_Isaiah Cortez
Walker W 2-1 TB2

12/7/2025,141:Spartan Combat RTC_Elijah Cortez:2,141:Maryland_Ryan Kennedy

Cortez W  3-2 TB1

Seems like the X in <wrestler>:X is the points scored by the losing <wrestler>.  For what that is worth.

Are there examples of these where the difference was more than 1?  Like, the difference (as in the above examples)
being other than riding time?

[Pablo]

1 hour ago, Coastal said:

Wrestlestat lists all MFF and DQ as 0-0

Nominally, Trac and Flo could do that, too (although not necessarily a tie) but they need to be flagged as MFF or DQ.  I know that a lot of the scores on the list are injury defaults that weren't specified as such (or it used a different format than my program was able to parse - this is the challege with Trac, I have to parse the outcome description and if something unusual shows up, the program doesn't handle it; Flo is a lot better in this regard)

When I look for outcomes in trac, I look for keywords like inj. or MFF, etc.  If they aren't included in the outcome, I will miss it.

[Pablo]

25 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

12/20/2025,133:Missouri_Gage Walker:1,133:Spartan Combat RTC_Isaiah Cortez
Walker W 2-1 TB2

12/7/2025,141:Spartan Combat RTC_Elijah Cortez:2,141:Maryland_Ryan Kennedy

Cortez W  3-2 TB1

Seems like the X in <wrestler>:X is the points scored by the losing <wrestler>.  For what that is worth.

Are there examples of these where the difference was more than 1?  Like, the difference (as in the above examples)
being other than riding time?

If the winning wrestler has more points than the losing wrestler, it wouldn't get flagged.

I could look to see if there are TB1 or TB2 with differences >1, but then again, assuming that TB1 or TB2 refer to the 30 s periods, there is not limit.

In principle, there is a distinction between SV and TB, but I'm not sure if meet directors are consistent, so I don't make a distinction between them in Pablo.  I treat all overtime matches the same.

Thanks for your help.  I have seen a lot of these are indeed OT wins, but not all of them even.

I'm surprised no one has weighed in on Ferrari/Mirasola  

[Wrestleknownothing]

On 2/24/2026 at 9:49 AM, PortaJohn said:

It would be a pain but you could go through each wrestlers profile that provides all the info (score, date, etc)...Maybe reach out to cowcard or wrestleknownothing.  They've got the goods

@Pablo I love what you are doing, kindred spirits and all. Unfortunately I only have scores for the NCAA tournament. We have not begun tracking regular season stuff yet.

[gimpeltf]

Might be missing something but you can go to the OPC (Track) and switch to the team and go to matches.

[ScottishSteel]

The 12/19 Markel Baker/Gabe Whisenhunt match was injury default win for Baker; Whisenhunt was knocked out when he landed on his head

 

The 2/6 Maximo Renteria/Damian Moreno match was injury default win for Renteria; Moreno was injured about 12 seconds into the match

 

Hastriter was injured and defaulted out of the Roadrunner open; both his matches from 11/23 where after he had injury defaulted out of the tournament

[Pablo]

Thanks again for everyone's help.  I figured out a couple of things that are going on.

1) A lot of the matches I flagged here were actually indicated as SV/TB, etc in the original result.  Since Pablo doesn't care about scores in overtime matches, I don't have to worry about them and I shouldn't have included them

2) As many of you are catching, a lot of them are injury defaults.  I think I may have missed culling out that specific injury flag in Trac which is how they got through.  I think I flag things that are labelled inj. but maybe not the ones without the . or something like that.  Man, I wish trac was more consistent with its outcomes (ok, I wish it was more like Flo with the CSV download but even so, just consistent format would be helpful).  Unfortunately, trac is more complete in the coverage so I have to use it as a source

[Pablo]

Someone tell me if I am interpreting this correctly (it might address a couple of the problems).  See Ferrari vs Mirasola.  Both Flo and trac have this as Ferrari winning with the score 1-1.  But flo has the play-by-play and we can use that.

First period is scoreless. Ferrari takes bottom in period 2, and gets an immediate escape.  Riding time 0.09 Mirasola at end of period 2.

Mirasola goes down in period 3, and doesn't escape until there are 11 seconds left.  So riding time goes to 1:40 for Ferrari.  The play-by-play does not have the 1 point for riding time, so it finished up at 2-1?

Can anyone confirm that result?  If so, that's great, problem solved.  There is at least one other match where I was able to figure out the same thing, a missing riding time point.

 

[SetonHallPirate]

https://almanac.mattalkonline.com/2025-26-division-i-individual-results/

Check there.

Site maintained by @Jason Bryant, data provided by yours truly.

[gimpeltf]

18 minutes ago, Pablo said:

Someone tell me if I am interpreting this correctly (it might address a couple of the problems).  See Ferrari vs Mirasola.  Both Flo and trac have this as Ferrari winning with the score 1-1.  But flo has the play-by-play and we can use that.

First period is scoreless. Ferrari takes bottom in period 2, and gets an immediate escape.  Riding time 0.09 Mirasola at end of period 2.

Mirasola goes down in period 3, and doesn't escape until there are 11 seconds left.  So riding time goes to 1:40 for Ferrari.  The play-by-play does not have the 1 point for riding time, so it finished up at 2-1?

Can anyone confirm that result?  If so, that's great, problem solved.  There is at least one other match where I was able to figure out the same thing, a missing riding time point.

 

Both school SID websites show 2-1 but both school's opc show 1-1. And Nebraska pdf of results show 1-1 (probably taken from the opc).

[Pablo]

52 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said:

https://almanac.mattalkonline.com/2025-26-division-i-individual-results/

Check there.

Site maintained by @Jason Bryant, data provided by yours truly.

OK, now this is something that is very helpful!  Thank you a ton!