Has Iowa ever ...

[ionel]

... been pinfellered 3 times in a dual ... if so what about 3 pf and another techfooley?

Where is @Wrestleknownothing with data and charts ... or maybe @sheepdeck ... er @cowcards knows?  

[Nak21]

Not that I can recall. But I also can’t recall them being this bad and trotting out that many backups, etc. That dual was doomed from the start given the lineup. Healthy and before they tossed the 197, they squeaked by at NDIs. This may be the most wounded version of the Hawks heading into the end of the year we’ve seen so far. Whether it’s perception or reality, the idea of the Hawks always banged up and ground down come post season is NOT being helped by this years version.

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

... been pinfellered 3 times in a dual ... if so what about 3 pf and another techfooley?

Where is @Wrestleknownothing with data and charts ... or maybe @sheepdeck ... er @cowcards knows?  

et tu Brute

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, Nak21 said:

Not that I can recall. But I also can’t recall them being this bad and trotting out that many backups, etc. That dual was doomed from the start given the lineup. Healthy and before they tossed the 197, they squeaked by at NDIs. This may be the most wounded version of the Hawks heading into the end of the year we’ve seen so far. Whether it’s perception or reality, the idea of the Hawks always banged up and ground down come post season is NOT being helped by this years version.

This Iowa team has only regressed as the season has gone on. 

Dean Peterson is exactly who he has been. He could AA if he gets the right draw and wrestles well, but likely won't.

Ayala just isn't as good as these freshmen and that is going to massively bump him down the podium if he manages to be on it at all.

Bailey has not looked good all year. His freshman season seems more like an outlier than who he is, especially at 141.

Block after what seemed to be a promising start has fallen off hard and looks like a R16 guy

Williams is competitive with just about everyone but he loses to everyone good he faces. His best win on the year is Teague Travis.

Caliendo is dependable and should be a lock for top 4.

I was really dubious of PK coming into the year because we had never really seen him look like a top 4 guy until the tournament last March. He has looked very solid all year at one of the weakest weights in the country.

We'll see what Ferrari looks like come post-season. I hate to see what a "limited" Ferrari's offense looks like..

Losing Endene was obviously big, but I also thought his stock was at the highest it would ever be when he was removed from the team. I thought he'd be a low-AA contender once all was said and done.

Kueter apparently hasn't been right all season? He hasn't looked good all year and will be lucky to make the podium.

 

65-84 should AA but it's entirely possible that's all that makes the podium this year. Maybe Ayala or Kueter get back on, but I wouldn't pick either of them at this point. It's been about as bad of a year as you could imagine for Iowa. Morale seems down, the fanbase has little to cheer about, and their aren't any saviors coming in next year to bring hope moving forward.. 

Just to rub a little salt in the wound, can you imagine if Bassett and Miller were coming to Iowa to revitalize the program?

 

[fishbane]

Three pins in this dual from January 2004.

 

[cowcards]

4 hours ago, ionel said:

... been pinfellered 3 times in a dual ... if so what about 3 pf and another techfooley?

Where is @Wrestleknownothing with data and charts ... or maybe @sheepdeck ... er @cowcards knows?  

Yes they have. 

[ionel]

the fish is faster than the cow ... but not by much 

[IceMan]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

This Iowa team has only regressed as the season has gone on. 

Dean Peterson is exactly who he has been. He could AA if he gets the right draw and wrestles well, but likely won't.

Ayala just isn't as good as these freshmen and that is going to massively bump him down the podium if he manages to be on it at all.

Bailey has not looked good all year. His freshman season seems more like an outlier than who he is, especially at 141.

Block after what seemed to be a promising start has fallen off hard and looks like a R16 guy

Williams is competitive with just about everyone but he loses to everyone good he faces. His best win on the year is Teague Travis.

Caliendo is dependable and should be a lock for top 4.

I was really dubious of PK coming into the year because we had never really seen him look like a top 4 guy until the tournament last March. He has looked very solid all year at one of the weakest weights in the country.

We'll see what Ferrari looks like come post-season. I hate to see what a "limited" Ferrari's offense looks like..

Losing Endene was obviously big, but I also thought his stock was at the highest it would ever be when he was removed from the team. I thought he'd be a low-AA contender once all was said and done.

Kueter apparently hasn't been right all season? He hasn't looked good all year and will be lucky to make the podium.

 

65-84 should AA but it's entirely possible that's all that makes the podium this year. Maybe Ayala or Kueter get back on, but I wouldn't pick either of them at this point. It's been about as bad of a year as you could imagine for Iowa. Morale seems down, the fanbase has little to cheer about, and their aren't any saviors coming in next year to bring hope moving forward.. 

Just to rub a little salt in the wound, can you imagine if Bassett and Miller were coming to Iowa to revitalize the program?

 

I'd agree with this 100%, very well said. It's been a historically bad season for Iowa already through the dual season. The trend is to have more guys "underperform" their seeds in the postseason than "overperform" and I don't see it being any different this year. 

The fewest AA's under Brands was their first season in 2007 where they only had 3 total AA's. 

Factoring in some "underperformances" out of those on the bubble, I wouldn't be surprised if their only AA's this season are:

165 - Caliendo
174 - Kennedy
184 - Ferrari

Guys I'd put on the bubble to AA are:

125 - Peterson
133 - Ayala

But given they have more "underperformers" to seeds at NCAA's than "overperformers" under Brands, if the line for total AA's was 3.5, I'd put money on the under. 

Now, for your "salt in the wound" comment... Iowa fans read that like this:

[fishbane]

It has even happened to Gable’s Hawkeyes.  

The Nebraska match at Nationals duals in 1993 is the only other confirmed time I could find it going back to the Kurdelmeier era, but I couldn’t find the detailed box score to these duals where it possibly happened.

1/12/2003 OSU 24 Iowa 15

12/2/1987 ASU 22 Iowa 18

12/5/1985 Iowa 30 SIU-Edwardsville 23

12/18/1982 OSU 27 Iowa 23

2/9/1982 Iowa 22 OSU 18

These next two are near misses.  
PSU beat Iowa 27-15 on 12/2/1986.  PSU won 5 matches.  One by fall, one by dq, one by TF and two by decision.  I am not sure how that adds up to 27 unless tech falls were worth 6 in 1986 or there was a mistake.  Could be 3-6 point victories for Nittany Lions.

Finally Cal Poly beat Iowa by a score of 27-12 on 12/8/1979.  Cal Poly won 6 matches with 2 pins, 1 forfeit, and 3 decisions.  Iowa won 4 decisions.  So that’s 3 - 6 point victories but only 2 pins.

[BloodRound]

17 hours ago, BruceyB said:

65-84 should AA but it's entirely possible that's all that makes the podium this year.

It looks like the Iowa finalist streak could very well end this year as well.  I wouldn't feel confident about Caliendo and Ferrari as my best bets to keep it alive.

[11986]

6 hours ago, fishbane said:

These next two are near misses.  
PSU beat Iowa 27-15 on 12/2/1986.  PSU won 5 matches.  One by fall, one by dq, one by TF and two by decision.  I am not sure how that adds up to 27 unless tech falls were worth 6 in 1986 or there was a mistake.  Could be 3-6 point victories for Nittany Lions.

 

Tech falls were worth 6 in '86