Caveira Posted June 23 Posted June 23 10 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: BAHHHHHH! You reason like a toddler. Everything is true because I say so, unless proved to be false. Even then you'll put fingers in your ears and repeat over and over, 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!' I am not going to trust your opinions on the 'trans' movement because you've consistently worked to remain ignorant of everything and anything related to trans people and the things that affect their lives. I think it bothers you to know and to have pointed out that you are insignificant on this topic. Your words and actions will do nothing to bolster the positions you claim to have. In all actuality your efforts are likely helping to grow and fortify the very ideas you are trying to squash. You are a small person that pretends to be tall by standing on the necks of those you feel are beneath you. You have no reason or evidence. Just bigotry. This is why you and your ilk will always lose. At this and every other issue. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX Men cannot be women. Life is simple.
Caveira Posted June 23 Posted June 23 23 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: BAHHHHHH! You reason like a toddler. Everything is true because I say so, unless proved to be false. Even then you'll put fingers in your ears and repeat over and over, 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!' I am not going to trust your opinions on the 'trans' movement because you've consistently worked to remain ignorant of everything and anything related to trans people and the things that affect their lives. I think it bothers you to know and to have pointed out that you are insignificant on this topic. Your words and actions will do nothing to bolster the positions you claim to have. In all actuality your efforts are likely helping to grow and fortify the very ideas you are trying to squash. You are a small person that pretends to be tall by standing on the necks of those you feel are beneath you. You have no reason or evidence. Just bigotry. This is why you and your ilk will always lose. At this and every other issue. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX A bit from the late great norm Macdonald as to why pride month and pride need not exist. It’s a good one. Some refer to it as the greatest gay joke ever Dennis miller: Have you ever done anything in your long and storied career that you consider specifically to be in bad taste as you look back on it? Maybe at the time you thought it was a good play, but you look back on it and you think that was in bad taste. norm: Well, sometimes like in stand-up I'll do jokes that are that I like one time I was doing this thing in San Francisco and they were all gay people in the audience they told me. So I figured I'd do In San Francisco? No. So I figured I'd do stuff about gay people so that they could relate to Yeah, it's a warm-up. They love that. I saw it cuz I went to this gay pride parade and I saw in it there were these old men and old ladies like with these signs that said, "We are proud of our gay son." You know? And so I was saying, "That's an odd thing to be proud of, you know? Because it's not an achievement, you know? It's not like something you work all your life to be gay or anything like that." And I I just wanted I just I I had a hard time believing that these 50-60 year old men are actually bragging, you know, at work like they're hey Bill, you know, my kid oh my god we're proud of him, Johnny. He graduated from Harvard, you know? The first in his class, you and oh yeah, he loves [ c*ck ] You know? This kid. He can't get enough [ c*ck ] in his mouth, his a$$, his kid's all this [ c*ck ] I got a I got a picture of the boy here sucking another man's [ c*ck] I want to show it to you. He's got to be proud of that. 00:01:34 Dennis miller: the maturation of you as an artist to realize it took you 9 and 1/2 minutes to get around to the second [ __ ] stuff. It's beautiful to see you comfortable in your own skin, Army. All right. Before sir Rasta asks. This is a result of Google finding this vid for me. You have to admit it’s pretty good
wrestlingguy Posted June 23 Posted June 23 1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said: BAHHHHHH! You reason like a toddler. Everything is true because I say so, unless proved to be false. Even then you'll put fingers in your ears and repeat over and over, 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!' I am not going to trust your opinions on the 'trans' movement because you've consistently worked to remain ignorant of everything and anything related to trans people and the things that affect their lives. I think it bothers you to know and to have pointed out that you are insignificant on this topic. Your words and actions will do nothing to bolster the positions you claim to have. In all actuality your efforts are likely helping to grow and fortify the very ideas you are trying to squash. You are a small person that pretends to be tall by standing on the necks of those you feel are beneath you. You have no reason or evidence. Just bigotry. This is why you and your ilk will always lose. At this and every other issue. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX It's as if you have no self reflection and project yourself onto others. Read your response and then look back and realize you are doing exactly what you are accusing Caveira of, but you are just on the other end. 2
Bigbrog Posted June 23 Posted June 23 18 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said: It's as if you have no self reflection and project yourself onto others. Read your response and then look back and realize you are doing exactly what you are accusing Caveira of, but you are just on the other end. This!
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 23 Author Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Caveira said: Men cannot be women. Life is simple. Oh honey, you're so cute. I know you want to believe that so bad, so your ideas make any kind of sense. But that's just not how things are. I think you know that and it terrifies you. That would explain a lot of the emotions you have about these topics. You keep having your big feelings. Keep trying to push that molasses up a sandy hill. I'm sure you'll make progress. In the meantime the world that is very much NOT simple will move on without you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4uFfjZ3eHA Start at the 1:50 mark and you'll understand exactly how much respect we all have for your ideas and how excited we will be when the last person that holds them is finally gone. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 23 Author Posted June 23 33 minutes ago, wrestlingguy said: It's as if you have no self reflection and project yourself onto others. Read your response and then look back and realize you are doing exactly what you are accusing Caveira of, but you are just on the other end. I'm sorry. Do I make claims that go against data and science then refuse to provide said evidence? Do I say, 'its true until you provide evidence that its not.' Do I almost exclusively rely on outlier examples(that do not prove the point) as evidence for my points? Am I a bigot, homophobe, and transphobe? Hint: The answer to all those questions is 'No'. I have a feeling you wrote this as an attempt to dissuade yourself that my post was a bit too accurate of a description of yourself. Using 'projection' as a means to wave away the validity so YOU don't have to admit that you hold similar ideals and that those ideals are looked upon as more and more inappropriate in society. Seems like you have some work to do. It might be painful. You might have to think about the community you find yourself in. People you surround yourself with probably don't like these people either. Have you ever thought about their motivations for why? Have you thought about yours? You don't like a group or groups of people and you don't have very good reasons. I doubt you've ever really thought about it. Because thinking about it can be painful. It sometimes leads to making big changes in your life. Cutting out friends, for instance. Or family members. That can be hard. People don't react well to having close friends and family challenge sincerely held beliefs. They get emotional and lash out or shut down. We don't like making broad sweeping changes. Hence the 'conservative' party. It can be dangerous. It can threaten our survival as individuals. I doubt you even read to this point. But if you have and you actually absorbed it. I hope you can take a look inside. Be honest. I'm happy to answer any questions you have or help you find resources that could help. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
mspart Posted June 23 Posted June 23 TPTPRRRPPTPRPTTPTPT - Can you point to a case where a man produced eggs and bore a baby, had ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus and no prostate or adams apple. I'm talking an XY chromosome man. Not an XX pretender man. Can you point to a case where a woman produced sperm to fertilize eggs, had testicles, had a prostate and adams apple? I'm talking about XX chromosome woman, not an XY pretender. You have laughed at any mention of "a man is man and that is it" kind of argument, but you have not produced anything that supports your side other than how it makes you or others feel good to think it might be possible maybe. It sounds like you believe in the delusion that a man can become a woman. And yes this is a delusion. A man cannot appropriate to himself female parts. If you have to take hormones and have surgery to try to approximate it, then that man is not a woman. It is delusional to think it can happen. And vice versa. Well, I have to admit that men are better at being women than women are, just look at all the awards they get. So there is something there delusionally speaking. mspart
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 23 Author Posted June 23 29 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: This! My side and those that hold my ideas have won at every similar juncture in the past. Abolition. Voting rights. Civil rights. Integration. LGBTQIA+ rights. Soon to be Trans rights. Does it do anything to your confidence that you and people similar to you. Likely people that raised you going back generations, were all wrong on these issues. Were against seeing these groups as equal under the law. Were gleefully indifferent to their struggles and fought to keep them from gaining any ground. And you are proudly carrying that torch. That doesn't give you pause for a second to consider if you are on the right side of history? I have no hesitation with where I stand with that regard. I will be looked up in a positive light by people I would respect. I very much doubt that about anyone that would find comfort in your words and ideas. That probably does little in the way of changing your mind. I know your opinion of me. But that you can't see how similar your rhetoric is to that of nazis is astounding. I feel bad for you. It is truly upsetting that you either don't know or don't care. But either way.... HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
Gene Mills Fan Posted June 23 Posted June 23 you'll understand exactly how much respect we all have for your ideas and how excited we will be when the last person that holds them is finally gone. Hey WE what if the other group has these same feelings towards your views and ideas? We don't have to live by your rules either. 1
wrestlingguy Posted June 23 Posted June 23 13 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: I'm sorry. Do I make claims that go against data and science then refuse to provide said evidence? No, just your feelings 100% of the time Do I say, 'its true until you provide evidence that its not.' No, you literally repeat the same thing over and over and try to diagnose everyone. You are the minority trying to convince the majority that they are wrong and should adopt your perversions. Do I almost exclusively rely on outlier examples(that do not prove the point) as evidence for my points? You don't provide examples at all, only your personal feelings. Am I a bigot, homophobe, and transphobe? Wow, never heard that argument before. You couldn't be a homophobe since you would have to hate yourself, but you go to bat for whatever perversion you can find. Hint: The answer to all those questions is 'No'. I have a feeling you wrote this as an attempt to dissuade yourself that my post was a bit too accurate of a description of yourself. Using 'projection' as a means to wave away the validity so YOU don't have to admit that you hold similar ideals and that those ideals are looked upon as more and more inappropriate in society. Seems like you have some work to do. It might be painful. You might have to think about the community you find yourself in. People you surround yourself with probably don't like these people either. Have you ever thought about their motivations for why? Have you thought about yours? Thanks for your latest incorrect projection and diagnosis. My best friend is gay. The difference is he doesn't go around trying to change everyone around him because he took a sociology 101 course. He accepts people for who they are just like everyone else accepts him. He lacks your narcissistic personality. Try not to live up to the stereotype of being the main character. You don't like a group or groups of people and you don't have very good reasons. I doubt you've ever really thought about it. Because thinking about it can be painful. It sometimes leads to making big changes in your life. Cutting out friends, for instance. Or family members. That can be hard. People don't react well to having close friends and family challenge sincerely held beliefs. They get emotional and lash out or shut down. We don't like making broad sweeping changes. Hence the 'conservative' party. It can be dangerous. It can threaten our survival as individuals. I doubt you even read to this point. But if you have and you actually absorbed it. I hope you can take a look inside. Be honest. I'm happy to answer any questions you have or help you find resources that could help. Read it. Deep inside you are fucked up just like the rest. You projecting your sexual abuse or trauma on everyone on this forum is over the top. 2
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 23 Author Posted June 23 24 minutes ago, mspart said: TPTPRRRPPTPRPTTPTPT - Can you point to a case where a man produced eggs and bore a baby, had ovaries, fallopian tubes, uterus and no prostate or adams apple. I'm talking an XY chromosome man. Not an XX pretender man. Can you point to a case where a woman produced sperm to fertilize eggs, had testicles, had a prostate and adams apple? I'm talking about XX chromosome woman, not an XY pretender. You have laughed at any mention of "a man is man and that is it" kind of argument, but you have not produced anything that supports your side other than how it makes you or others feel good to think it might be possible maybe. It sounds like you believe in the delusion that a man can become a woman. And yes this is a delusion. A man cannot appropriate to himself female parts. If you have to take hormones and have surgery to try to approximate it, then that man is not a woman. It is delusional to think it can happen. And vice versa. Well, I have to admit that men are better at being women than women are, just look at all the awards they get. So there is something there delusionally speaking. mspart Glad you asked. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24313430/ Can I ask, what is the significance that ALL of those conditions are met? Yes, I have produced evidence of these. You all just don't read it. We've been talking about these same half dozen subjects for years and you all keep asking for evidence that has been provided multiple times. Alright, enough with the 'delusion' jab. Its your way of corrupting my argument before you've heard it so you don't have to take it seriously. If you want to know the answers to the questions then at least hear/see the response before you negatively characterize it. I at least read your posts before proclaiming your ideas to be products of a fever dream. How does a doctor determine the sex of a baby that is put on a birth certificate for government records? Do they check the genes? No Its a cursory examination of easily observed traits often within the confines of an ultrasound which are usually confirmed at birth. A penis or no penis in the ultrasound. Men grow breasts all the time. Sometimes when they do not want to. So that happens. I can appreciate that you want your opinion to be correct and taken as cannon. But that's all it is, an opinion. And asking you to read the science is probably barking up the wrong tree based on what you've written in this post. But you are wrong. I'm sorry. That you don't want to educate yourself on this topic is something I can't understand. Your 'common sense' approach seems to be keeping you from learning the 'actual sense'. Why are you so threatened by learning about this topic? I don't say 'told you so' when you come back and write an apology letter to all the trans people on this site. That you were wrong and kept repeating wrong information for so long. I'll simply repost it with a response. 'Heck ya!' Give it a try. It feels really good to be right and know it. Cuz you think you're right and you feel good. And you think feeling wrong will feel bad. But it'll feel just like this, but you'll ACTUALLY be right. It still feels good. Gender is determined by many more factors. Be honest, we've all done it. You've misgendered someone by accident. Long and well groomed hair can go either way. Short hair on someone with a muscular frame. Come on, you haven't made that mistake? Maybe not even out loud but in your head. These have nothing to do with their genitals or their gammets. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX btw I’ll bet you say that you’re right because I only included the 46XY example. Shh
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 23 Author Posted June 23 18 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said: you'll understand exactly how much respect we all have for your ideas and how excited we will be when the last person that holds them is finally gone. Hey WE what if the other group has these same feelings towards your views and ideas? We don't have to live by your rules either. Yes you will. You always do. That's the point. You'll try not to. You'll kick and scream and throw a hissy fit like you always have. But when too many of your friends and family no longer want anything to do with you and businesses will no longer employ people with your ideas. You'll change them. You always do. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
Gene Mills Fan Posted June 23 Posted June 23 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Yes you will. You always do. That's the point. You'll try not to. You'll kick and scream and throw a hissy fit like you always have. But when too many of your friends and family no longer want anything to do with you and businesses will no longer employ people with your ideas. You'll change them. You always do. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX LOL WE tolerate until you and your ilk gets on their high horse. Then they are thrown out of the bathroom, out of the volleyball court and your swimming cheat is taken away. Edited June 23 by Gene Mills Fan
mspart Posted June 23 Posted June 23 19 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Glad you asked. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24313430/ Can I ask, what is the significance that ALL of those conditions are met? Yes, I have produced evidence of these. You all just don't read it. We've been talking about these same half dozen subjects for years and you all keep asking for evidence that has been provided multiple times. Alright, enough with the 'delusion' jab. Its your way of corrupting my argument before you've heard it so you don't have to take it seriously. If you want to know the answers to the questions then at least hear/see the response before you negatively characterize it. I at least read your posts before proclaiming your ideas to be products of a fever dream. How does a doctor determine the sex of a baby that is put on a birth certificate for government records? Do they check the genes? No Its a cursory examination of easily observed traits often within the confines of an ultrasound which are usually confirmed at birth. A penis or no penis in the ultrasound. Men grow breasts all the time. Sometimes when they do not want to. So that happens. I can appreciate that you want your opinion to be correct and taken as cannon. But that's all it is, an opinion. And asking you to read the science is probably barking up the wrong tree based on what you've written in this post. But you are wrong. I'm sorry. That you don't want to educate yourself on this topic is something I can't understand. Your 'common sense' approach seems to be keeping you from learning the 'actual sense'. Why are you so threatened by learning about this topic? I don't say 'told you so' when you come back and write an apology letter to all the trans people on this site. That you were wrong and kept repeating wrong information for so long. I'll simply repost it with a response. 'Heck ya!' Give it a try. It feels really good to be right and know it. Cuz you think you're right and you feel good. And you think feeling wrong will feel bad. But it'll feel just like this, but you'll ACTUALLY be right. It still feels good. Gender is determined by many more factors. Be honest, we've all done it. You've misgendered someone by accident. Long and well groomed hair can go either way. Short hair on someone with a muscular frame. Come on, you haven't made that mistake? Maybe not even out loud but in your head. These have nothing to do with their genitals or their gammets. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX btw I’ll bet you say that you’re right because I only included the 46XY example. Shh Your article describes a syndrome, an abnormality in the makeup of the individual. That was not my question but you keep going to that point to prove that some random guy in HS can decide he is a girl and get pregnant. You know it doesn't work that way. You know that is not how it works, but you will keep working along these lines of a person with an abnormal syndrome. The whole trans movement is not about that person, it is about some guy who says he is a girl and everyone having to believe it, and vice versa. A guy can say whatever he wants to say, but that doesn't mean the whole world must cave to his delusion. Enough with the delusion? Enough with it when people stop being delusional. I asked you a specific question and you did not provide it. Try again. mspart 1
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 (edited) 17 hours ago, mspart said: Your article describes a syndrome, an abnormality in the makeup of the individual. That was not my question but you keep going to that point to prove that some random guy in HS can decide he is a girl and get pregnant. You know it doesn't work that way. You know that is not how it works, but you will keep working along these lines of a person with an abnormal syndrome. The whole trans movement is not about that person, it is about some guy who says he is a girl and everyone having to believe it, and vice versa. A guy can say whatever he wants to say, but that doesn't mean the whole world must cave to his delusion. Enough with the delusion? Enough with it when people stop being delusional. I asked you a specific question and you did not provide it. Try again. mspart Ok. I get it. Let's start over. So we don't keep talking past each other. And forgive me if this gets a bit dull. Can you tell me how you are using the word 'normal'? Because you didn't include that in your question. Please state your question again so I know exactly what you are asking? The conclusion: Conclusion: This article should be considered as a summary of all actual knowledge about these patients. This article should be available and usefull for clinicians who come across XY females. The case study provides evidence that even an individual with male genetic gender can be pregnant and deliver a healthy child. Can you tell me exactly how this example doesn't meet your criteria? HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX Edited June 24 by ThreePointTakedown
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 17 hours ago, Gene Mills Fan said: LOL WE tolerate until you and your ilk gets on their high horse. Then they are thrown out of the bathroom, out of the volleyball court and your swimming cheat is taken away. So until you lose control of your emotions and become violent? Yeah, that tracks. The side with the winning argument usually has to resort to violence. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 8 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Man you are severely coocoo Thanks for the Ad Hom. Glad to know you have good reasons to disagree with my point(s). And once again.... HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX
Bigbrog Posted June 24 Posted June 24 6 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said: Thanks for the Ad Hom. Glad to know you have good reasons to disagree with my point(s). And once again.... HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX Just read mspart again...he presents the factual points perfectly and accurately. Your response to him and others is 0.5% about the topic, sort of, and 95% immature projection, diagnosis, and stupid name calling. It's funny that you keep screaming of being on the right side of history but it is factual impossible to keep screaming men can become a woman and vice versa. And you are clearly on the wrong side of history accusing people who believe that to be all these hateful -isms. Also, stating facts provides zero indications of someone's personal feelings towards people that feel they are not the actual sex they truly are. You claiming you do know someone's feelings is completely crazy and has nothing to do with the debate nor the facts. If you truly cared about serious nuanced conversations about these subjects you would address actual FACTS versus what you think anonymous people on the Internet truly feel in their heart which is 95% of your posts.
gimpeltf Posted June 24 Posted June 24 43 minutes ago, Bigbrog said: Just read mspart again...he presents the factual points perfectly and accurately. Your response to him and others is 0.5% about the topic, sort of, and 95% immature projection, diagnosis, and stupid name calling. What's the other 4.5%?
Gene Mills Fan Posted June 24 Posted June 24 34 minutes ago, gimpeltf said: What's the other 4.5%? Strutting like a peacock.
Gene Mills Fan Posted June 24 Posted June 24 (edited) 3 hours ago, ThreePointTakedown said: So until you lose control of your emotions and become violent? Yeah, that tracks. The side with the winning argument usually has to resort to violence. HAPPY PRIDE XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOX No violence security says "Get Out". No violence the NCAA sys " you're not eligible". No violence the NCAA says "The title was not yours" Happy Pride Day to the gay people I know and respect! Edited June 24 by Gene Mills Fan 1
mspart Posted June 24 Posted June 24 I have concluded TOTTPTPTPTPTTPTPT is just a troll and likes to get reactions. Try to reason or get a reasonable answer and he pretends not to understand the question being asked. He is just here to get reactions and it is as simple as that. I will not respond anymore to him. His "opinions" are not his, they are just to get a rise out of people. Classic troll. mspart
ThreePointTakedown Posted June 24 Author Posted June 24 2 hours ago, gimpeltf said: What's the other 4.5%? Ya that math wasn’t mathing. 1
wrestlingguy Posted June 24 Posted June 24 11 minutes ago, mspart said: I have concluded TOTTPTPTPTPTTPTPT is just a troll and likes to get reactions. Try to reason or get a reasonable answer and he pretends not to understand the question being asked. He is just here to get reactions and it is as simple as that. I will not respond anymore to him. His "opinions" are not his, they are just to get a rise out of people. Classic troll. mspart Agreed. "A Reasonable Discussion" was never the goal.
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