2001Hokie Posted January 9 Posted January 9 31 minutes ago, Coastal said: I should have said "nobody with aspirations" dreams of wrestling for Iowa. I was generous going to 15 years when it's really less than 10 year cycles that matter and probably as low as 6-7 years. Do you really think a 16 year old recruit cares about wrestlers like Metcalf if they even know who he is? "Very solid" recuiting classes drop Iowa even further behind schools that sign "great" recruiting classes. Iowa's never catching Penn State. Oklahoma State blew by them like they were standing still, Virginia Tech is zipping by as we speak, Ohio State hammered them in a dual and they lost to ISU for the first time since any recruit has been alive... Iowa is irrelevant. From a big fan of the 'zipping by' team, I'd be happy if we became consistently as 'irrelevant' as Iowa has been the last 10-15 years...
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 9 Posted January 9 53 minutes ago, Coastal said: Virginia Tech is zipping by as we speak. You cannot be serious. Stop trolling we all get it. Iowa hasn't wrestled up to there standard for 4 years. SHOCKING NEWS. find a different dead horse to beat. But to claim a program like VT is zipping by anyway because of some commitments from kids who had already committed to other schools and left once. Please. That literally actual nonsense. Full of un-bias blasphemy.
MPhillips Posted January 9 Posted January 9 48 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said: Spoiler Alert: they are still the spoiler alert for tOSU, OSU, Neb duals and ISU in the tourney. .
jbai3_12 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 I think more there "irrelevant" Iowa is squandering resources this because "they can". I think that is something strategically that is hurting them. Example, not focusing more energy and resources on a top tier RTC.
PortaJohn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Le duke said: Could see Blaze putting up an MD on Ayala, too. Let's calm down here I Don't Agree With What I Posted
PortaJohn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 hour ago, SocraTease said: WrestleStat often posts head-scratching and even absurd predictions based on their own data. Here's the prediction at 285 between PSU and Iowa: Cole Mirasola over Ben Keuter 6-4 despite the fact that Mirasola is 1-2 against common opponents (including Feldman) and Keuter is 4-1. Is there a way that they can correct this stuff? Mirasola could conceivably pull out a close win, but the predictive data doesn't support that result right now. Keuter is a terrible match up for Cole. Ben wins this one comfortably I Don't Agree With What I Posted
SocraTease Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Keuter is a terrible match up for Cole. Ben wins this one comfortably WrestleStat is really high on Cole Mirasola. I just checked their prediction for his match against Feldman in the PSU-Ohio State dual. They have it this way: WrestleStat Prediction: Cole Mirasola (Penn State) over Nick Feldman (Ohio State) DEC 6 - 5 Crazy, given that Mirasola lost 10-3 to Feldman a year ago, and he is 0-4 against common opponents while Feldman is 6-0. So much for artificial intelligence (and algorithms). I will take natural intelligence (where ... or while it still exists).
PortaJohn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, SocraTease said: WrestleStat is really high on Cole Mirasola. I just checked their prediction for his match against Feldman in the PSU-Ohio State dual. They have it this way: WrestleStat Prediction: Cole Mirasola (Penn State) over Nick Feldman (Ohio State) DEC 6 - 5 Crazy, given that Mirasola lost 10-3 to Feldman a year ago, and he is 0-4 against common opponents while Feldman is 6-0. So much for artificial intelligence (and algorithms). I will take natural intelligence (where ... or while it still exists). @andegre has explained it before with how the algo works. Would be nice to get him back on here I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Le duke Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Let's calm down hereHe’s a better wrestler than Davino. Davino beat Ayala handily.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, PortaJohn said: @andegre has explained it before with how the algo works. Would be nice to get him back on here Interesting how it works with #999 Jax Forrest. He loses to a bunch of guys 1-0 or beats some guys 9-8. .
CHROMEBIRD Posted January 9 Posted January 9 31 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: Let's calm down here Too late. Jinx activated
PortaJohn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 4 minutes ago, Le duke said: He’s a better wrestler than Davino. Davino beat Ayala handily. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Using Transitive Property for wrestling is the worst predictor for a match. Every PSU fan should have that drilled into their brains after the Dake/Taylor era. I'd love a Blaze major decision but let's keep it realistic. Take the Davino result out and then explain why there's a good chance he gets the major I Don't Agree With What I Posted
SocraTease Posted January 9 Posted January 9 47 minutes ago, PortaJohn said: @andegre has explained it before with how the algo works. Would be nice to get him back on here I missed that. Can he or you briefly summarize how it (often doesn't) work(s)? The 285 bouts I mentioned are so patently straightforward that an algorithm shouldn't mess them up
PortaJohn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, SocraTease said: I missed that. Can he or you briefly summarize how it (often doesn't) work(s)? The 285 bouts I mentioned are so patently straightforward that an algorithm shouldn't mess them up Oh man, I remember that thread back from the onthemat days. I believe similar to ELO ratings in Chess. Can't really remember. I rarely if ever pay attention to wrestlestat rankings or predictions I Don't Agree With What I Posted
PortaJohn Posted January 9 Posted January 9 57 minutes ago, ionel said: Interesting how it works with #999 Jax Forrest. He loses to a bunch of guys 1-0 or beats some guys 9-8. Maybe Jimmy is inputting his own data and wrestlestat has been compromised I Don't Agree With What I Posted
Curt Foley Posted January 9 Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Mr. PeanutButter said: Iowa was the most recent team to win a championship and has had more AAs and finalists than any team not named PSU. I don recall if they have more individual champs, Ill have to update the Google sheet, but it's definitely razor thin (other than PSU, to be clear). If that makes Iowa irrelevant, then what does that make the other teams? It's fine if you think that PSU is the only "relevant" team. But if that's the case then it's pretty weird to dog on Iowa when, as of this point, every other team has performed worse Very well stated! Totally agree
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Coastal said: Seidel is the real deal, Henson is obvious, Gaj and Sasso could high AA in a year and Burton isn't a slouch, Ventresca has a year left..Even without Bassett and Miller they'll beat Iowa at next year's finals if they don't this year. With both, they'll crush Iowa. Iowa hasn't won a full field tournament since before some current recruits were alive. That's irrelevant. I'm not saying VT isn't stout this year, but to say that they are flying past any top 4 program is crazy, tOSU, okie st, and Iowa are the only ones to challenge cael in the last decade. Yes VT is stout, I love ventresca, hanson is an animal, sasso is alright, siedel surprised me. But we are talking about an Iowa program that would likely still beat them in a head on dual. TBF I would agree with you that they have a possibility to beat Iowa in the finals, but Iowa always blows it in March. As far as talent for talent they aren't blowing past a program. And when was the last major tourney (finals) VT won again. U keep keep saying Iowa hasn't won recently..... Well neither has VT. So there is no argument there. As of rn. VT is just as irrelevant as Iowa. And everyone else. Until Carl leaves Full of un-bias blasphemy.
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 7 minutes ago, mr.nonothingatall said: I'm not saying VTe isn't stout this year, but to say that they are flying past any top 4 program is crazy, Ohie St, OSU, and Iowie are the only ones to challenge cael in the last decade. ftfy .
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Coastal said: They aren't zipping past any top 4 programs, only Iowa. Iowa will go to the portal when ever they want. If this was pre portal era, I would agree with you. Iowa reloads from the portal when they don't develop guys, which means they reload alot. Which means you can try to tell me VT is gonna be way better than everyone... Except you can't because you don't know who is gonna transfer or when. Edited January 9 by mr.nonothingatall Full of un-bias blasphemy.
mr.nonothingatall Posted January 9 Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, ionel said: ftfy Thx Full of un-bias blasphemy.
Gene Mills Fan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Ohie St, OSUie, and Iowie fixed it for poke ionel Peterson/Rivera Ayala, Fugitt Kueter, Amos 8 Oclock
ionel Posted January 9 Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said: Ohie St, OSUie, and Iowie fixed it for poke ionel Peterson/Rivera Ayala, Fugitt Kueter, Amos 8 Oclock That's Mr. lonelie to you kind sir! .
Gene Mills Fan Posted January 9 Posted January 9 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ionel said: That's Mr. lonelie to you kind sir! excusie 8 thats easternie not out in the boonies Edited January 9 by Gene Mills Fan
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