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[Lipdrag]

ICE Fraud or ICE incompetence?  Probably a bit of both.  Why does the government buy a facility then pay the same company to run the facility?!?  Political donations?  Probably.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/kare-11-investigates-private-prison-was-on-sale-for-75-million-ice-paid-495-million/89-4b28b6c7-8823-42b3-9f70-95a78f714e18

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, Lipdrag said:

DaVik, Davik, DaVik.  Read better before slinging your kneejerk insults.  I clearly stated that single payer is the Medicare for all and Medicaid models.  Which lead to yuuuge fraud, always.  Single provider is the military model.  Less fraud but also less service, capability, etc.  Neither works well for the general public.  

It's 110% NOT the military model. The military is VERY different from civilian federal government services, in almost every way. I was in the military and have interacted significantly with federal, state and local government entities. They're not even a little bit similar. Even their legal system is very different. 

Edited October 31 by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

The funnier thing is that ive NEVER proposed to get rid of prisons and, actually, very few liberals have either. 

I do acknowledge that wed need more prisons in order to lock up all the scumbag wingers like id like to. We could at least recoup some of those costs by feeding them bread and water, cramming more of them into smaller cells and letting them sleep on concrete floors. 

Winger strawman argument #52,439 ( on this forum)

52,439 is one less lie than you’ve told.  Now get to a protest and run over an ice agent like you claimed you would.  

[Scouts Honor]

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RV: ive never....

yes we know

[Lipdrag]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

It's 110% NOT the military model. The military is VERY different from civilian federal government services, in almost every way. I was in the military and have interacted significantly with federal, state and local government entities. They're not even a little bit similar. Even their legal system is very different. 

Ok, so we agree the single provider model is not workable.   The single payer model leads to the widespread fraud and other untenable problems we see.

So are you proposing a DMV model?  What is this magic you know that eludes the rest of the world?

[red viking]

15 minutes ago, Lipdrag said:

Ok, so we agree the single provider model is not workable.   The single payer model leads to the widespread fraud and other untenable problems we see.

So are you proposing a DMV model?  What is this magic you know that eludes the rest of the world?

110% wrong. Single payer system minimizes fraud. Gets the scumbag greedy private entities completely out of the picture. All these greedy and grubby companies and alleged companies trying to get their cut is exactly why we have so much fraud  

Edited October 31 by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

6 minutes ago, red viking said:

110% wrong. Single payer system minimizes fraud. Gets the scumbag greedy private entities completely out of the picture. All these greedy and grubby companies and alleged companies trying to get their cut is exactly why we have so much fraud  

Poor baby. People are making money. 

[red viking]

17 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Poor baby. People are making money. 

...its only a problem when they claim to perform services that they didnt perform. All too common in the greed- laden and morally vacuous private sector. 

[Scouts Honor]

28 minutes ago, red viking said:

110% wrong. Single payer system minimizes fraud. Gets the scumbag greedy private entities completely out of the picture. All these greedy and grubby companies and alleged companies trying to get their cut is exactly why we have so much fraud  

lol

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[JimmySpeaks]

45 minutes ago, red viking said:

...its only a problem when they claim to perform services that they didnt perform. All too common in the greed- laden and morally vacuous private sector. 

Like all the fraud by dems in blue states huh. 

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[Lipdrag]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

110% wrong. Single payer system minimizes fraud. Gets the scumbag greedy private entities completely out of the picture. All these greedy and grubby companies and alleged companies trying to get their cut is exactly why we have so much fraud  

 

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

lol

What part of Medicare and Medicaid are single payer AND the most defrauded systems does DaVik not understand?

Private Insurers are not defrauding the government.  But private "providers" (fake ones) are.  So I infer he is advocating getting rid of private providers - nationalizing the medical industry.  Therefore every doctor, nurse, receptionist,  physical therapist, nutritionist, pharmacist, ambulance driver,  EMT, orderly, hospital valet parking attendant,  lab technician, etc. must become public employees to provide the medical services needed.  Do we also nationalize wheel chair, ventilator, and crutch manufacturing?  Put someone like Anthony Fauci in charge of pharmaceutical research and production?

"Get rid of greedy and grubby companies" needs a bit more fleshing out.

[red viking]

46 minutes ago, Lipdrag said:

 

What part of Medicare and Medicaid are single payer AND the most defrauded systems does DaVik not understand?

Private Insurers are not defrauding the government.  But private "providers" (fake ones) are.  So I infer he is advocating getting rid of private providers - nationalizing the medical industry.  Therefore every doctor, nurse, receptionist,  physical therapist, nutritionist, pharmacist, ambulance driver,  EMT, orderly, hospital valet parking attendant,  lab technician, etc. must become public employees to provide the medical services needed.  Do we also nationalize wheel chair, ventilator, and crutch manufacturing?  Put someone like Anthony Fauci in charge of pharmaceutical research and production?

"Get rid of greedy and grubby companies" needs a bit more fleshing out.

Not really. The govt funded services should be provided by govt workers. Private services not. I dont give 2 squirts of piss if you want to pay a private sector doctor and/ or fat cat insurance comp. out of your own pocket. Go right ahead. 

That way, they can rip u off but at least wont continue to rip off taxpayers. 

Edited November 1 by red viking

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[fishbane]

Corruption was a top issue for voters in the recent election.  I imagine the results reflect who they think is to blame.

“Harris poll for Guardian finds 76% believe officials care more about self-enrichment than helping everyday Americans.”  

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/oct/30/government-corruption-us-midterm-poll

”Voters are more concerned about government corruption than any other issue, including high grocery and gas prices, according to the latest CNBC All-America Economic Survey.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/10/23/corruption-midterm-election-cnbc-poll-trump.html

[Offthemat]

I feel like im watching the cartoon:  “That sounds logical.”