They coming for those autopen pardons ?

[Caveira]

is there a world where those that were autopen pardoned may get indicted?

 

 

[mspart]

I would say Yikes if I was one the target. 

mspart

[Offthemat]

12 minutes ago, mspart said:

I would say Yikes if I was one the target. 

Liz Cheney?

[Caveira]

12 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Liz Cheney?

I may have said this when the autopen pardons went down. If I didn’t I sure thought it.   It smells so shady af.   Pre pardoning someone.  With that said, I was hopeful this administration investigated every one of the political pardons and posted all the things they potentially thought they would have been charged with outside of the pardon.  
 

The American people deserve to know the level of shenanigans our government will go to.   
 

i think both parties should be In favor of this.   Politics are bad…. If the left did it.   The right will do it.  Then the left will do it again.  Then it will just be commonplace.   We don’t need that 

Edited October 28, 2025 by Caveira

[Offthemat]

 

[headshuck]

We need to go back to using blood.

[Caveira]

Should Fauci be worried?

 

 

[Offthemat]

The idea has been bandied about that the easiest path to cracking the auto pen/preemptive pardons legitimacy question would be to indict and charge someone and let them prove their legitimacy in court. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

The idea has been bandied about that the easiest path to cracking the auto pen/preemptive pardons legitimacy question would be to indict and charge someone and let them prove their legitimacy in court. 

Merry Xmas.    Get er done lol.   Would really enjoy seeing fauci’s lyin azz in cuffs.  

[Offthemat]

6 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Merry Xmas.    Get er done lol.   Would really enjoy seeing fauci’s lyin azz in cuffs.  

He deserves it just for what he did to the dogs. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

He deserves it just for what he did to the dogs. 

Mayorkas too.  Smug lying bastard 

[jross]

[Wrestleknownothing]

What about the pardons that are bought with bribes?

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

What about the pardons that are bought with bribes?

What are you talking about?

 

 

[Caveira]

Why is this tolerated.  @Viratas touched on it a bit in another thread.   Everyone just lies and commits purgery in front of congress.  No one cares.  Both sides.  
 

 

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

What are you talking about?

 

 

Changpeng Zhao, the latest but certainly not the only Chinese-born crypto guy to first make Trump a pile of money through World Liberty Financial and then almost immediately receive a pardon. The company he owns provides WLF their trading technology. So Trump first went into business with a convicted felon, then pardoned the convict to try and take some of the stink off. Mind you he plead guilty to money laundering for the likes of Hamas, Al Qaeda, and The Islamic State. All terrorist organizations. But that all goes away if you grease Trump's palm. 

Just ask Justin Son and Ross Ulbricht, the founder of Silk Road, the crypto illegal drug market place. They paid Trump. They got pardons.

Trump makes a lot of loud claims about national security but then he quietly pardons drug traffickers, and terrorist money-launderers all while bargaining away the protections against Chinese companies stealing our tech in exchange for a hollow promise to stop fentanyl. 

[Lipdrag]

On 10/31/2025 at 12:39 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

What about the pardons that are bought with bribes?

Someone bribed the autopen?  Sinister.

[Wrestleknownothing]

21 hours ago, Lipdrag said:

Someone bribed the autopen?  Sinister.

Trump on 60 Minutes claiming he has no idea who Changpeng Zhao is or what he did, yet he pardoned him. He is either lying or he is the physical embodiment of autopen. 

By the way, my money is on lying. Liars just gonna lie. They can't not. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Trump on 60 Minutes claiming he has no idea who Changpeng Zhao is or what he did, yet he pardoned him. He is either lying or he is the physical embodiment of autopen. 

By the way, my money is on lying. Liars just gonna lie. They can't not. 

Compare and contrast the two autopens 

[Caveira]

41 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Trump on 60 Minutes claiming he has no idea who Changpeng Zhao is or what he did, yet he pardoned him. He is either lying or he is the physical embodiment of autopen. 

By the way, my money is on lying. Liars just gonna lie. They can't not. 

Also…..   You pretend like Biden didn’t pardon sketchy people my friend. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

18 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Also…..   You pretend like Biden didn’t pardon sketchy people my friend. 

I am not pretending that at all. By definition pardons are sketchy. These are people guilty of crimes. I am saying Trump is a liar. His go to move when questioned about his clearly sketchy, conflicted, illegal moves is, "I don't know anything about it", when he clearly does. Or, in this case, if he doesn't why did he pardon them? 

That said the portion of his interview dealing with foreign affairs was pretty good. But his domestic policies are whacko. 

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am not pretending that at all. By definition pardons are sketchy. These are people guilty of crimes. I am saying Trump is a liar. His go to move when questioned about his clearly sketchy, conflicted, illegal moves is, "I don't know anything about it", when he clearly does. Or, in this case, if he doesn't why did he pardon them? 

That said the portion of his interview dealing with foreign affairs was pretty good. But his domestic policies are whacko. 

You skipped past lying Joe Biden pardon’s of guilty sketchy people.   As if you only care if repubs do it.  While team blue does it.
 

All politicians are trash.  Politics are trash.    We need some term limits. 

Edited November 3, 2025 by Caveira

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I am not pretending that at all. By definition pardons are sketchy. These are people guilty of crimes. I am saying Trump is a liar. His go to move when questioned about his clearly sketchy, conflicted, illegal moves is, "I don't know anything about it", when he clearly does. Or, in this case, if he doesn't why did he pardon them? 

That said the portion of his interview dealing with foreign affairs was pretty good. But his domestic policies are whacko. 

Include this

• Richard Nixon (1969-1974): ~926 clemency actions (pardons + commutations). Wikipedia+3Wikipedia+3Department of Justice+3

• Gerald Ford (1974-1977): ~409 clemency actions. Wikipedia+2prisonology.com+2

• Jimmy Carter (1977-1981): ~566 clemency actions (excluding the large-class Vietnam draft evader amnesty). Wikipedia+1

• Ronald Reagan (1981-1989): ~406 clemency actions. Wikipedia+1

• George H. W. Bush (1989-1993): ~77 clemency actions. Wikipedia+1

• Bill Clinton (1993-2001): ~459 clemency actions. Wikipedia

• George W. Bush (2001-2009): ~200 clemency actions. Wikipedia

• Barack Obama (2009-2017): 1,927 clemency actions, including ~212 pardons and ~1,715 commutations. Pew Research Center+1

• Donald Trump (first term 2017-2021): ~238 clemency actions — about 143 pardons and 85 commutations. prisonology.com+2Al Jazeera+2

• Donald Trump (second term beginning 2025): Over ~1,500 pardons (for Jan 6 defendants) plus more commutations. Wikipedia+2The Marshall Project+2

• Joe Biden (2021-2025): 80 pardons + 4,165 commutations = 4,245 clemency actions.