Luke Stanich

[de4856]

Unfortunately for me, I didn’t pay much attention to Stanish until I saw him wrestle Bassett in the best of three series. But afterwards I realized that he had a great chance of doing very well at U20 Worlds. 

[nhs67]

It is just very hard for me to unsee the destruction Mendez put on him.  I would think that Hardy will do the same.

[Truzzcat]

24 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

It is just very hard for me to unsee the destruction Mendez put on him.  I would think that Hardy will do the same.

vito teched pat glory and then lost to him 2 weeks later!

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, Truzzcat said:

vito teched pat glory and then lost to him 2 weeks later!

Different animals.

Two reasons:
- Folkstyle is not MFS
- Stanich barely beat Lemley and Orine as well.

[Truzzcat]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

Different animals.

Two reasons:
- Folkstyle is not MFS
- Stanich barely beat Lemley and Orine as well.

the vito pat result was folk and both of those results were November of last year so I think he most likely has improved a lot since then. Jess lost to Cole Matthews in December of his Sophmore season. Matthews was 3-3 at the time and lost his next 4 matches after that win.

[steamboat_charlie]

2 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

the vito pat result was folk and both of those results were November of last year so I think he most likely has improved a lot since then. Jess lost to Cole Matthews in December of his Sophmore season. Matthews was 3-3 at the time and lost his next 4 matches after that win.

Yup.  It's impossible to be at your best in every single match, and improvement isn't linear.  

Guys like Vito and Mendez can put it on you if you show up with just a little hole in your game on that day.  It doesn't necessarily mean there's an insurmountable gap.  

[Konquest]

Brock Hardy is a terrible matchup for anyone who doesn't have partners who can give that weird feel.  He wants you in on his legs, which is antithetical to how most wrestlers wrestle.  And the more you get frustrated and try to create action, the more chances you have of getting that cradle slapped on ya!

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, Konquest said:

Brock Hardy is a terrible matchup for anyone who doesn't have partners who can give that weird feel.  He wants you in on his legs, which is antithetical to how most wrestlers wrestle.  And the more you get frustrated and try to create action, the more chances you have of getting that cradle slapped on ya!

I don't feel like it's that different in modern Wrestling. 

I also threw up a bit when I said "modern" Wrestling... but I think people understand what I'm talking about. It feels like since... 2005, people are pretty comfortable with guys in on their legs. 

 

[Gene Mills Fan]

8 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I don't feel like it's that different in modern Wrestling. 

I also threw up a bit when I said "modern" Wrestling... but I think people understand what I'm talking about. It feels like since... 2005, people are pretty comfortable with guys in on their legs. 

 

randy lewis   i know what your saying just conversing

[Konquest]

15 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I don't feel like it's that different in modern Wrestling. 

I also threw up a bit when I said "modern" Wrestling... but I think people understand what I'm talking about. It feels like since... 2005, people are pretty comfortable with guys in on their legs. 

 

I can assure you that college wrestlers still preach head/hands defense, and practice downblocking and sprawling.  A lot of wrestlers are confident that they can scramble to a North/South ankle grab stalemate, and not get scored on if someone gets in on their legs, but guys like Hardy and prime Sasso put good wrestlers in danger from there.

[Hammerlock3]

On 9/18/2025 at 8:26 AM, Truzzcat said:

vito teched pat glory and then lost to him 2 weeks later!

he didn't tech him

[scourge165]

On 9/19/2025 at 1:22 PM, Konquest said:

I can assure you that college wrestlers still preach head/hands defense, and practice downblocking and sprawling.  A lot of wrestlers are confident that they can scramble to a North/South ankle grab stalemate, and not get scored on if someone gets in on their legs, but guys like Hardy and prime Sasso put good wrestlers in danger from there.

Well yeah, obviously. Head, hands defense is... a given at this level of Wrestling. There's not a Wrestler who can be successful without having good head, hands defense. The down-blocking is... certainly not used as much, guys would rather come back up to their feet and re-attack, though I think you've seen a lot of PSU guys, namely Starocci and Brooks who have really dominated that position and scored and beaten guys there. That's one reason I liked how they Wrestled. They were just always in control and they were basic, but they were almost perfect in that. But even they could scramble. 

Even Hardy, Sasso, Askren... hell, Jaggers, they were head, hands defense first, but they could score if a guy got in on them. The only guy I'd say "invited" it in the biggest matches was Jaggers and he just went on a couple of heaters his Jr and Sr year. I remember a friend of mine calling him the "worst NCAA Champ ever," and I argued a little, but it was a pointless argument. But we're out there watching him win it again and I looked, didn't say a word and he just goes, "pft, worst 2X Champ ever." 

I understand what you're saying though, some guys are more dangerous counter Wrestlers. Hardy is one of them...Jaggers, Henning from Wisconsin was on his way to an NCAA Championship vs Trent(Travis?) Paulson when he was coming out the back and they blew it for Potentially Dangerous. The same thing he'd been doing all year. And he was very good on top. Not great on his feet(which is why Poeta always beat him) but... he was incredible with that defense.

-Also, off-topic, but he was the same guy who was up... 7-2 IIRC on Ben Askren as a Freshmen in the State Finals. Henning had a Brother who was a 3X Champ, should have been a 4X Champ but he got upset as a Jr, so he was well known. Ben was not yet. Askren was down and... my memory may have made this more dramatic... but as I recall, Askren took him down or reversed him with ~25 seconds left, locked up the cradle and spent the last ~15 seconds with Henning on his back. Henning ended up getting the TD in OT, but great match by a couple of Freshmen. 

 

On 9/19/2025 at 6:25 AM, Gene Mills Fan said:

randy lewis   i know what your saying just conversing

I didn't see Lewis enough, but... I was also thinking Abas and Kolat, Guerrero... and I'm sure a lot of others who I've mostly seen via video. 

[scourge165]

On 9/19/2025 at 9:54 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

he didn't tech him

Yeah... I remember. I lost two pools because of that match. I took Vito to win it that year. He beat Glory like 19-5 two weeks earlier and then nearly gets majored(or may have gotten majored) the next year.

Vito scored pretty clean in the 1st and got in deep, almost scored again. Glory gets the TD in the 2nd, 3-2 and Vito is about to reverse him, he's got a turk in and he's looking for the turn and... I don't remember how they ended up in this position, but Glory was kinda on his side and Vito was on his back... but Vito still looked like he could... I don't know, hip over and score... but he didn't. Instead of 2 for Vito and potential NF, Glory gets 4NF. 

They go into the 3rd I think 7-5, Vito cuts Glory and he can't get the TD, Glory gets a TD to put it away and then finishes with RT and some final second NF to make it 13-5 maybe?

It was hard to imagine Vito wouldn't be able to score on him at will looking at the Conf Finals, but Glory was a big '25 and dug those underhooks out late and Vito didn't have an answer.