US just dropped Bombs on 3 nuclear sites. Fordow, Natanz and Esfahan.

[Tripnsweep]

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

i bet they would take even you

I'm eligible for citizenship in the EU. I just never exercised it. I'm going to soon. 

[uncle bernard]

well said mr president

 

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, VakAttack said:

No new wars!   No new wars!  Now let's get to engineering the regime change, something that has never had negative results ever!

War is peace!  Freedom is slavery!  Ignorance is strength!

  #PresidentOfPeace 

Well... you have the overthrow of the Hawiian Kingdom...that worked out pretty well!

Uh...Panama was...pretty successful. Haiti in...the 90s(93, 94, IDR). Also the Dominican Republic. That worked. 

 

I just find the...well, I used to call it Far Right, but if you're MAGA, about a 90% chance you're already far right, but their hypocrisy is HILARIOUS!

 

They argued against the veracity of the IAEA intelligence reported in 2018 when the US pulled out of the JPOAC. The same people...they're quoting them ALL over the place today! 

Oh, and on top of that, you have the;

Biden Started Two Wars," crowd...despite not sending an American Soldier in either event and that's why we need Trump, because he'll end the wars in Israel, in the Ukraine and he'll do it on Day 1!

 

A couple questions, are those two Wars over, did Trump use US Troops to intervene in Iran and does the right even see how full of fecal matter they are!

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

This is a really bad idea. All they're doing is just going to be framed as an anti Muslim war and it is going to get ugly. This is why I wish we were able to move back to Europe. 

Then don't listen to how it's "framed." 

And I don't know how being in Europe is going to help you here. Seriously... there have been a LOT more refugees taking in from Europe in recent years, people who are more fundamentalist than you have in the US. 

 

Hell, we even deport Afghan translators who put their lives on the line, saved American Military Lives with old Red White and Blue promising to let them come here since...they fought for our country and WILL be murdered if they are sent back... and we're indifferent. 

 

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, Paul158 said:

Iran was only permitted to be enriching uranium to 3.67 (U235) percent for the production of electricity. They were also limited on the number and type of centrifuges they could operate. Limited to 300Kg of enriched uranium. Iran has ignored all of the restrictions in the hopes of achieving a nuclear bomb.

Citing an agreement Iran was adhering to before Trump pulled out of it for...no rational reason...seems foolish. 

 

6 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

All this does is prove to Iran that they need a nuke. It’s the only reliable deterrent of US attack. If they weren’t working towards one already (and our own intelligence has confirmed that they have no evidence they were), they certainly will be now. They would be insane not to.

Today, Trump has all but guaranteed a nuclear Iran. 

I don't agree. Iran may try and use terrorists to detonate a dirty bomb in the US, but Enriching Uranium to the point where you can make Nuclear Weapons...and THEN finding a delivery source that the United States won't just be able to shoot out of the sky is a taller order now. It's going to be... quite a bit more difficult in the future with artificial intelligence. 

 

No, if they could build a nuclear weapons, they'd go after Israel. 

On top of wishing all Jews would return to Israel as it's be easier to kill them all, Hamas leader said the following;

“All of you 7 million Palestinians abroad… you have Jews everywhere. You should attack every Jew possible in all the world and kill them.” cufi.org

 

6 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

actually longer lol

Since the 1980s they've been years. Since the early 90s, it's been mostly Months. 

 

 

[scourge165]

8 hours ago, red viking said:

Nettanyahoos errand boy

This is not even dog whistle antisemitism. People were saying the same nonsense when Biden was funding Israel. Please stop identifying everything as "oppressed and oppressor." Israel isn't TRYING to oppress Palestine (well, they weren't, now they're just kicking ass in Gaza because they just never stop). 

The Palestinians have been given AMPLE opportunity for peace. They've not once negotiated in good faith. Israel pulled out of in 2005 and their GDP was growing at 4-5% per year(so good economic growth). They got more aid per capita than anywhere in the world. 

I wonder what Palestine would look like if... they just put that money toward the people rather than building on the underground tunnel system and building military bases in schools and hospitals?

 

But they didn't. And sadly, as Oct7th approached, more and more Palestinians were in favor of peace. Israel was building hospitals, but you're goddamn right they still had strong borders and blockades. But if you're going to ask why Israel, the Country that's been attacked since the ENGLISH Mandate, had strict check points and borders, lets ask why Egypt did as well?

 

But in the end, aside from aside from "Nettanyahoos," being a childish retort and similar to Scout/Jimmy's "libtardods" line...what you're really saying is, "The Jews are controlling us." 

 

You really think the US is doing something that's NOT in it's own best interest? And they've been doing this since Carter? C'mon...

[Paul158]

6 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

This is not even dog whistle antisemitism. People were saying the same nonsense when Biden was funding Israel. Please stop identifying everything as "oppressed and oppressor." Israel isn't TRYING to oppress Palestine (well, they weren't, now they're just kicking ass in Gaza because they just never stop). 

The Palestinians have been given AMPLE opportunity for peace. They've not once negotiated in good faith. Israel pulled out of in 2005 and their GDP was growing at 4-5% per year(so good economic growth). They got more aid per capita than anywhere in the world. 

I wonder what Palestine would look like if... they just put that money toward the people rather than building on the underground tunnel system and building military bases in schools and hospitals?

 

But they didn't. And sadly, as Oct7th approached, more and more Palestinians were in favor of peace. Israel was building hospitals, but you're goddamn right they still had strong borders and blockades. But if you're going to ask why Israel, the Country that's been attacked since the ENGLISH Mandate, had strict check points and borders, lets ask why Egypt did as well?

 

But in the end, aside from aside from "Nettanyahoos," being a childish retort and similar to Scout/Jimmy's "libtardods" line...what you're really saying is, "The Jews are controlling us." 

 

You really think the US is doing something that's NOT in it's own best interest? And they've been doing this since Carter? C'mon...

You made Some very good points big guy. 

[scourge165]

6 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

When do you deploy?

Sadly, his past statement probably isn't applicable in this scenario

8 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

i bet they would take even you

I bet they wouldn't take Scout.

 

Though.... they DO like people who are incapable of independent thought and get all their news from X, don't question things and already decide what's right before knowing what they're arguing about(what I'm describing is...stoopid). 

 

7 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

Trying to go to war with Iran even if they didn't have nukes would be a terrible idea for so many reasons. 

 

We're not going to War, but you gotta list me thought reasons.

A-You'd..assume... (which is dubious in and of itself with Trump, the guy with the non-Nazi-Nazi-tattoos and the intelligence committee that said Iran was making no attempt to develop Nuclear Weapons and our Nations GREATEST DEI hire, Tulsi Gabbard(I don't actually know if she was DEI, I just noticed if they're not a white man, you can reduce them to DEI) that it'd be VERY few boots on the ground and more us supporting the Cown Prince's claim to the throne. You already have a majority of Iranians who want a different form of non-theocratic Government. 

 

B-Unlike Iraq or Afghanistan, this would GREATLY shift the balance in the Middle East and maybe so many of the most powerful countries there wouldn't be so...GD regressive. Treating Women as property (which stopped being cool here like 160 years ago).

But it'd also GREATLY reduce the terrorists activity in that Country, and while it's a LOONG shot, if you could get a more secular Govt in there, just as you have when the Shah was in power, it'd change the world more than any countries 'regime change' since the Soviet Union fell...short lived though that may have been. 

 

 

So you fund the rebels, you start to trot out Pahlavi, you maybe...set up Starlink over Iran...

 

It's incredibly unlikely, but it'd be a MASSIVE boon to lasting peace. Nobody wants this to continue.

 

Though...again, I was told there'd "be no wars with Trump."

 

[scourge165]

48 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

You made Some very good points big guy. 

I always do! You just don't always agree with them!

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I'm eligible for citizenship in the EU. I just never exercised it. I'm going to soon. 

Trip...we're like...90% in agreement on this... but I really hate this 'I'm leaving" crap.

Our Founders had to fight...lining up, waiting to get shot, knowing when they did, they'd saw that limb off. 

The Civil War, the Soldiers at Andersonville had to pick through their own crap for pieces of corn so they have something for their next meal. 

 

Finally, these Islamic Fundamentalists don't care if it's you. It's actually harder to get to you in the US.... so they're as likely to attack Europe. 

And if you're worried about the mainland, go watch Chinese propaganda, look at the MOST AMAZING things they've got, the things that look like they're out of Sci-fi, the hypersonic Missiles and the Naval Vessels, the submarines, and then keep in mind, the Pentagon talks in open committee about how the Chinese are going to pass us up...we need to increase that Military Budget 10%!

 

And then you find out, that amazing new piece of evidence is already antiquated in the US. Kinda like the F-117 Stealth that was created in '77, deny we have it...and then in 1990, we say, 'yeah, we had that, but we're retiring the old Nighthawk.

 

 

What's more, if it's the leadership you disagree with, that's an even worse reason to leave. Just take it two years at a time. 

Trump's approval rating is at an all-time low in modern history for a President this early in and the leading contender is...Donald Trump Jr. 

He is NOT the original thing. MAGA is Trump and only Trump. Things will get better(even if I don't quite agree with you on this one subject). 

[JimmyCinnabon]

I guess the goalposts are on the moon now. 

[Paul158]

35 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I always do! You just don't always agree with them!

We don't always have to agree. Just need to be civil about it. This is America.

[JimmySpeaks]

9 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

When do you deploy?

Day after you leave for Ukraine 

[JimmySpeaks]

9 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

I'm eligible for citizenship in the EU. I just never exercised it. I'm going to soon. 

Good. 

[Tripnsweep]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Trip...we're like...90% in agreement on this... but I really hate this 'I'm leaving" crap.

Our Founders had to fight...lining up, waiting to get shot, knowing when they did, they'd saw that limb off. 

The Civil War, the Soldiers at Andersonville had to pick through their own crap for pieces of corn so they have something for their next meal. 

 

Finally, these Islamic Fundamentalists don't care if it's you. It's actually harder to get to you in the US.... so they're as likely to attack Europe. 

And if you're worried about the mainland, go watch Chinese propaganda, look at the MOST AMAZING things they've got, the things that look like they're out of Sci-fi, the hypersonic Missiles and the Naval Vessels, the submarines, and then keep in mind, the Pentagon talks in open committee about how the Chinese are going to pass us up...we need to increase that Military Budget 10%!

 

And then you find out, that amazing new piece of evidence is already antiquated in the US. Kinda like the F-117 Stealth that was created in '77, deny we have it...and then in 1990, we say, 'yeah, we had that, but we're retiring the old Nighthawk.

 

 

What's more, if it's the leadership you disagree with, that's an even worse reason to leave. Just take it two years at a time. 

Trump's approval rating is at an all-time low in modern history for a President this early in and the leading contender is...Donald Trump Jr. 

He is NOT the original thing. MAGA is Trump and only Trump. Things will get better(even if I don't quite agree with you on this one subject). 

Even before all of this it's something we wanted to do. I have friends who left the US to go and they have a better quality of life there. There is also very little chance of a terrorist attack, and a lot more things that make the move there and attractive option. Not to mention my wife's family has zero intention or interest in moving to America. So we'd be closer to them. I also have cousins who live in Europe who are citizens of both EU and non EU countries, and are intending to stay there and not return to the US. I have minimal ties here too. Most of my family around me is deceased, and I am adaptable with work. There's definitely trade offs but I feel that my physical and mental health would be better there, among other reasons. One of my friends who lives in the area we're looking at, I've known him since high school and I asked him what the biggest culture shock was, and he told me it was realizing how awful living in America was by comparison. 

[Caveira]

14 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

There is also very little chance of a terrorist attack,

Europe has experienced more terrorist attacks than the United States in recent years.

Comparative Overview

• Europe: In 2023, the European Union reported 120 failed, foiled, or completed terrorist attacks, a significant increase from 28 in the previous year. These incidents encompassed various motivations, including jihadist, right-wing, left-wing, and separatist ideologies. 

• United States: the U.S. has faced fewer terrorist attacks compared to Europe.

[Caveira]

25 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Even before all of this it's something we wanted to do. I have friends who left the US to go and they have a better quality of life there.

Really nothing worse than that guy who:

I hate this place I’m gonna leave….

my friends left it’s better over there….

i could leave and get citizenship somewhere else…

given all these things just doesn’t leave.  You are like the guy who is always quitting his job.   Complains all day at work.   Drags everyone down with them……  but just doesn’t quit.

Just leave.