Penn State, Ohio State - sex abuse problems

[1032004]

18 hours ago, OhioHusker said:

I am a long time viewer, and a first time poster. This one is personal to me, as I live here, and know some of the people involved. Bottom line, the people who have been pushing this lawsuit are pieces of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*. Mike Disabato is a turd, and anyone who believes anything he says is an idiot. This is purely a cash grab by a garbage human being. Sadly, one of my best friends jumped in this lawsuit and I let him know how disappointed I was with him. 

I knew about all this back in the day, but Strauss was not employed by the wrestling program, he was employed by Ohio State. What the hell do you think would have happened if Hellickson had gone to the administration and said "I need you to get rid of this gay doctor". He would have been fired on the spot. Hell, he'd still be fired on the spot. Even sooner.

Strauss wasn't employed by the wrestling team, he was employed by Ohio State. Hellickson had no power to do anything. And Jordan had less. The only reason that anyone gives a damn about this are either ex OSU athletes trying to get an easy payday or liberals. I don't believe for a minute that anyone gives a damn about the athletes, they just smell blood in the water for someone they hate due to politics. 

Life is simple. Tough my balls longer than  necessary and I'll punch you in the face. 

Horrible first post, sorry.

You think Hellickson would have gotten fired for reporting that Strauss was repeatedly groping athletes? The fencing coach did report it, and she didn’t get fired.

Even if DiSabato is a “turd,” all evidence says he is telling the truth about the abuse, and he inspired others to come forward.  The abuse happened, so tOSU should have to pay.

[Doublehalf]

18 hours ago, OhioHusker said:

I am a long time viewer, and a first time poster. This one is personal to me, as I live here, and know some of the people involved. Bottom line, the people who have been pushing this lawsuit are pieces of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*. Mike Disabato is a turd, and anyone who believes anything he says is an idiot. This is purely a cash grab by a garbage human being. Sadly, one of my best friends jumped in this lawsuit and I let him know how disappointed I was with him. 

I knew about all this back in the day, but Strauss was not employed by the wrestling program, he was employed by Ohio State. What the hell do you think would have happened if Hellickson had gone to the administration and said "I need you to get rid of this gay doctor". He would have been fired on the spot. Hell, he'd still be fired on the spot. Even sooner.

Strauss wasn't employed by the wrestling team, he was employed by Ohio State. Hellickson had no power to do anything. And Jordan had less. The only reason that anyone gives a damn about this are either ex OSU athletes trying to get an easy payday or liberals. I don't believe for a minute that anyone gives a damn about the athletes, they just smell blood in the water for someone they hate due to politics. 

Life is simple. Tough my balls longer than  necessary and I'll punch you in the face. 

I couldn't disagree with this post more and find it shameful to insinuate this is all for money. It's as if you didn't watch the documentary at all because this was explained fairly simply by the other athletes coming forward.
 

Strauss royally screwed up some of these guys' heads and it's obvious. A damn referee was touched by this guy, not just the student athletes. Are you going to shame over 2800 people in which many were raped and say it's a load of BS? Because Strauss is dead and gone the only way to get any restitution is to go after their pocket books after the university allowed this to happen for over a decade while complaints were given by others.

 

It is even more disappointing how Hellickaon disappeared on his own guys at the end of the documentary and completely changed my view of the coaches after having watched. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt for a while but the evidence is really damning and unbelievably shameful and spineless behavior by the coaches.

 

I think this ultra macho 'I wouldn't let this happen to me' is a total croc and exactly what's wrong with the sport. That's the attitude that kept all this concealed for so long and allowed for so many to be abused.

 

This is still just a sport at the end of the day and the way some people/coaches/fathers act as if their kids are going off to war is laughable. Jordan Burroughs/Ben Askren have been way ahead of the curve on this destructive mindset that your post would clearly suggest you're apart of. You call one of the guys a friend that came forward and the fact you didn't support him says way more about your actions than the courage it took him to do so... (mind you there have still been no payouts/settlement)

Edited Monday at 06:37 PM by Doublehalf

[The Kid]

3 hours ago, Doublehalf said:

I couldn't disagree with this post more and find it shameful to insinuate this is all for money. It's as if you didn't watch the documentary at all because this was explained fairly simply by the other athletes coming forward.
 

Strauss royally screwed up some of these guys' heads and it's obvious. A damn referee was touched by this guy, not just the student athletes. Are you going to shame over 2800 people in which many were raped and say it's a load of BS? Because Strauss is dead and gone the only way to get any restitution is to go after their pocket books after the university allowed this to happen for over a decade while complaints were given by others.

 

It is even more disappointing how Hellickaon disappeared on his own guys at the end of the documentary and completely changed my view of the coaches after having watched. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt for a while but the evidence is really damning and unbelievably shameful and spineless behavior by the coaches.

 

I think this ultra macho 'I wouldn't let this happen to me' is a total croc and exactly what's wrong with the sport. That's the attitude that kept all this concealed for so long and allowed for so many to be abused.

 

This is still just a sport at the end of the day and the way some people/coaches/fathers act as if their kids are going off to war is laughable. Jordan Burroughs/Ben Askren have been way ahead of the curve on this destructive mindset that your post would clearly suggest you're apart of. You call one of the guys a friend that came forward and the fact you didn't support him says way more about your actions than the courage it took him to do so... (mind you there have still been no payouts/settlement)

I am surprised no one killed Strauss vigilante style.  

[JimmyCinnabon]

On 6/22/2025 at 7:42 PM, OhioHusker said:

I am a long time viewer, and a first time poster. This one is personal to me, as I live here, and know some of the people involved. Bottom line, the people who have been pushing this lawsuit are pieces of *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*. Mike Disabato is a turd, and anyone who believes anything he says is an idiot. This is purely a cash grab by a garbage human being. Sadly, one of my best friends jumped in this lawsuit and I let him know how disappointed I was with him. 

I knew about all this back in the day, but Strauss was not employed by the wrestling program, he was employed by Ohio State. What the hell do you think would have happened if Hellickson had gone to the administration and said "I need you to get rid of this gay doctor". He would have been fired on the spot. Hell, he'd still be fired on the spot. Even sooner.

Strauss wasn't employed by the wrestling team, he was employed by Ohio State. Hellickson had no power to do anything. And Jordan had less. The only reason that anyone gives a damn about this are either ex OSU athletes trying to get an easy payday or liberals. I don't believe for a minute that anyone gives a damn about the athletes, they just smell blood in the water for someone they hate due to politics. 

Life is simple. Tough my balls longer than  necessary and I'll punch you in the face. 

I’m going to give you some free advice because I have been where you are. I’m a PSU alum. They made documentaries about my school too. This is not the way. Even if you think you’re right nobody else will. Your school is being dragged through the mud (rightfully so). It sucks. But this isn’t the way. Don’t defend what happened on the internet. 

Edited Monday at 11:58 PM by JimmyCinnabon

[OhioHusker]

22 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Horrible first post, sorry.

You think Hellickson would have gotten fired for reporting that Strauss was repeatedly groping athletes? The fencing coach did report it, and she didn’t get fired.

Even if DiSabato is a “turd,” all evidence says he is telling the truth about the abuse, and he inspired others to come forward.  The abuse happened, so tOSU should have to pay.

Not really moved by your opinion of my post. Sorry.

The bottom line is that people are claiming to have been abused for the payday. Could their be a few real victims? Probably, but there sure isn't hundreds. 

And outside of wrestling, nobody would care about OSU wrestling if it didn't involve Jim Jordan. It is purely political theater.

I'm not defending Hellickson, but he didn't employ Strauss, the Ohio State did. His and Jordan's name have been dragged through the mud but they aren't the bad guys in this story. 

 

[OhioHusker]

16 hours ago, JimmyCinnabon said:

I’m going to give you some free advice because I have been where you are. I’m a PSU alum. They made documentaries about my school too. This is not the way. Even if you think you’re right nobody else will. Your school is being dragged through the mud (rightfully so). It sucks. But this isn’t the way. Don’t defend what happened on the internet. 

I'm not defending anything. If it happened, so be it, and people will get paid. What I do know is there are numerous people who have claimed to have been abused that were not because they want to get paid. 

And the guy who started this whole thing had a fund raiser for a dead Buckeye wrestler's family and reportedly stole the money. He was a Marine who died in Iraq. 

[jeffrideal]

4 minutes ago, OhioHusker said:

Not really moved by your opinion of my post. Sorry.

The bottom line is that people are claiming to have been abused for the payday. Could their be a few real victims? Probably, but there sure isn't hundreds. 

And outside of wrestling, nobody would care about OSU wrestling if it didn't involve Jim Jordan. It is purely political theater.

I'm not defending Hellickson, but he didn't employ Strauss, the Ohio State did. His and Jordan's name have been dragged through the mud but they aren't the bad guys in this story. 

 

Did you watch the documentary?  

[OhioHusker]

45 minutes ago, jeffrideal said:

Did you watch the documentary?  

I did not. I guess I probably will at a certain point in time. The people who have pushed this the hardest are crappy human beings and the politics behind is a joke. 

[jeffrideal]

6 minutes ago, OhioHusker said:

I did not. I guess I probably will at a certain point in time. The people who have pushed this the hardest are crappy human beings and the politics behind is a joke. 

It is pretty eye opening.  BTW, Disabato is only in the doc for a limited time.  It mostly focused on Dan Ritchie, Mike Schyck, Mark Coleman and a hockey player.  

[ionel]

58 minutes ago, jeffrideal said:

Did you watch the documentary?  

Just because it's a "documentary" doesnt mean it is completely factual/true.  

[Doublehalf]

42 minutes ago, ionel said:

Just because it's a "documentary" doesnt mean it is completely factual/true.  

Which part of the documentary about a physician using his position of authority to sexually abuse and rape students, students athletes, and adults should we deem as not factual?

Should I view documentaries about the holocaust with the skepticism you are suggesting here? 

Or is it because maybe this puts a dent in the image you may have of Ohio state, people abusing their authoritative power, coaches that you may align with politically  or any other closely held beliefs?

[Bigbrog]

Documentaries can absolutely be inaccurate.  I'd say the majority of them are directionally correct but often leave out certain things that are sealed in court documents and/or edit the content to create a certain narrative (see Making a Murderer).  Anyway, in this documentary I agree that it is pretty much correct and addresses the core issues that are factually correct...the doctor is a disgusting sexual predator, and the coaches/administration were reprehensible in their actions or lack thereof.

[MPhillips]

9 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I agree that it is pretty much correct

Not bustin' chops here but what wasn't correct?

[ionel]

25 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Which part of the documentary about a physician using his position of authority to sexually abuse and rape students, students athletes, and adults should we deem as not factual?

Should I view documentaries about the holocaust with the skepticism you are suggesting here? 

Or is it because maybe this puts a dent in the image you may have of Ohio state, people abusing their authoritative power, coaches that you may align with politically  or any other closely held beliefs?

Idk but I invite @VakAttack into the discussion to explain about straw men and expound on why we don't use documentaries instead of jury trials if they are absolute truth.  

[VakAttack]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

Idk but I invite @VakAttack into the discussion to explain about straw men and expound on why we don't use documentaries instead of jury trials if they are absolute truth.  

We use jury trials to determine if we are taking away someone's freedom or we're going to force them to pay money/do something they don't want to do.  Other than that, we make our determinations every day if we think someone is guilty or innocent of a crime at whatever standard we as individuals deem needed.

[Bigbrog]

2 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Not bustin' chops here but what wasn't correct?

Good question...honestly, I didn't see, nor not see in the documentary that I would say wasn't true...my point is that I personally would never say any documentary is 100% correct as I am sure that there are things about said documentary that wasn't included, left out (on purpose or otherwise), or wasn't available to include in the documentary.  Anyway, that is just how I view any documentary that I watch, and I love watching them...more than I do a movie.

[Paul158]

On 6/19/2025 at 1:23 PM, red viking said:

A ref abused in the shower? How is that possible? Refs pretty much always get their own changing room w shower. Even for high school games. 

I have never seen nor heard of a referee showering at a high school or college especially the athlete's showers. Has anyone else ever heard of a referee showering at a school. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Paul158
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[ionel]

44 minutes ago, Doublehalf said:

Which part of the documentary ...

I haven't watched it nor do I care to.  But does it tell Jordan's side of the story.  Does it delve into how he had no authority in the issue or said parameters.  Does it delve into the culture of universities in general and their shoot the messenger mentality related to academic fraud or other as reported up to higher admin.  Did it address where Ohio St fit in that regard versus other peer universities.  Clearly it wasn't right but why didn't grown men rise up and stop it?  That aspect of PSU and MSU is perhaps more understandable.  Did it lay out the theory that this is a Big 10 problem given 3 major universities.  Again idk.  

[MPhillips]

Just now, ionel said:

Clearly it wasn't right but why didn't grown men rise up and stop it?

You're just being daft...

[Paul158]

On 6/21/2025 at 2:42 PM, pokemonster said:

He also did it under the guise of medical treatment. He didn't just jack people off and get away with it. He'd gauge the victim and slowly progress to what he thought he could get away with. The dude was smart, a leading researcher in multiple fields. Got his education from Penn, University of Chicago, and Harvard. Multiple victims said as they were about to say something to him, he'd chime in with a rebuttal. He claimed he had to check their lymph nodes in their groin for infection. Had to check their testicles I'm guessing for masses. Had to get them naked to see their skeletal structure and check their gait. Told them "you're like a thoroughbred horse, we need to make sure you're running on all cylinders and check everything". A lot of them didn't realize they were getting abused until they found out that 1. What he was doing was not medical treatment or valid and 2. After the Michigan state scandal became public.

A lot of the people that complained were convinced later that is wasn't abuse. He tried to get the doctor who finally got him fired's medical license revoked. He had lawyers threaten kids who reported him. There's countless reasons. 

Unfortunately, you would've gotten kicked out of the school, arrested, and probably blacklisted from wrestling for being the macho man had you been in that situation.

At the age of 7 or 8 most people know the difference between right and wrong. If they are in doubt, they ask their mom or dad.

[jeffrideal]

14 minutes ago, ionel said:

I haven't watched it nor do I care to.  But does it tell Jordan's side of the story.  Does it delve into how he had no authority in the issue or said parameters.  Does it delve into the culture of universities in general and their shoot the messenger mentality related to academic fraud or other as reported up to higher admin.  Did it address where Ohio St fit in that regard versus other peer universities.  Clearly it wasn't right but why didn't grown men rise up and stop it?  That aspect of PSU and MSU is perhaps more understandable.  Did it lay out the theory that this is a Big 10 problem given 3 major universities.  Again idk.  

You ask a lot of questions, which could be answered by watching it.  And BTW, it is 4 universities in the big 10 that I know of.  PSU, UM, MSU and tOSU.  

[Doublehalf]

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

I haven't watched it nor do I care to.  But does it tell Jordan's side of the story.  Does it delve into how he had no authority in the issue or said parameters.  Does it delve into the culture of universities in general and their shoot the messenger mentality related to academic fraud or other as reported up to higher admin.  Did it address where Ohio St fit in that regard versus other peer universities.  Clearly it wasn't right but why didn't grown men rise up and stop it?  That aspect of PSU and MSU is perhaps more understandable.  Did it lay out the theory that this is a Big 10 problem given 3 major universities.  Again idk.  

This wasn't a documentary about Jim Jordan so the defensiveness is very telling...

Jim Jordan was highlighted in the same manor as every other person that was in an authoritative capacity that chose to do nothing. Not only that but they did note he was contacted to give his side of the story and chose not to. The defense of "culture was like that everywhere" is a terrible defense of wrong doing and laughable to be honest.

Lastly, and if you watched the F'ing documentary, all these people explain why they didn't talk about it and how Strauss went after certain types of athletes and how they were scared to lose scholarships or fall out of favor and that's just the ones that didn't report, there were several that did including on other teams. While the wrestling team was center stage, there were many other men's sports affected by this and the Dr literally had a locker in each of the men's sports lockerooms which is wild...

Your hypothetical questions and objections are answered in the doc and it's ridiculous that anyone is sitting here defending how heinous what this guy did all because some of you guys have a man crush on Jim Jordan...

[AgaveMaria]

On 6/20/2025 at 11:52 AM, Chigachanuk said:

If you were truly familiar with the history, the QB did NOT SEE anything;  he only thought he heard things that were strange, and after some time thinking about it and the possibilities that he went to PSU football staff to report what he heard.

The first account I read had the QB/assistant coach saying he saw what happened in the shower & had to think about it overnight before telling Paterno.

Maybe they got it wrong?

[ionel]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

You're just being daft...

 

1 hour ago, jeffrideal said:

You ask a lot of questions, which could be answered by watching it.  And BTW, it is 4 universities in the big 10 that I know of.  PSU, UM, MSU and tOSU.  

 

1 hour ago, Doublehalf said:

This wasn't a documentary about Jim Jordan so the defensiveness is very telling...

Jim Jordan was highlighted in the same manor as every other person that was in an authoritative capacity that chose to do nothing. Not only that but they did note he was contacted to give his side of the story and chose not to. The defense of "culture was like that everywhere" is a terrible defense of wrong doing and laughable to be honest.

Lastly, and if you watched the F'ing documentary, all these people explain why they didn't talk about it and how Strauss went after certain types of athletes and how they were scared to lose scholarships or fall out of favor and that's just the ones that didn't report, there were several that did including on other teams. While the wrestling team was center stage, there were many other men's sports affected by this and the Dr literally had a locker in each of the men's sports lockerooms which is wild...

Your hypothetical questions and objections are answered in the doc and it's ridiculous that anyone is sitting here defending how heinous what this guy did all because some of you guys have a man crush on Jim Jordan...

First I don't have HBO Max and second am away from TV for a couple weeks.  I've seen others documentaries and was simply asking questions not defending anyone.  Anytime I watch a documentary I ask why didn't they cover this aspect?  There's only so much they can do in the time frame.  And maybe it is a Big 10 issue cause I could tell stories about a 5th.  

[1032004]

4 hours ago, OhioHusker said:

What I do know is there are numerous people who have claimed to have been abused that were not because they want to get paid. 

 

How do you know this?