No Kings Rallies

[Scouts Honor]

why do leftists hate everyone so much? 

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

why do leftists hate everyone so much? 

I know this one ... I know ... can I answer?

because they are "wingers"

[vsnej]

King?   Nah... but puppet... 
 

[red viking]

16 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Serious question...where is this "Kings" label even coming from.  Can those that think Trump is trying to be a "King" provide any evidence...I mean actual evidence that is in fact what he is doing.   

Constantly violating checks and balances required per Constitution. That is why the courts have ordered him to reverse so many of his dictatorial executive orders. You can Google all of these orders; no need to regurgitate them here for you. 

[Scouts Honor]

so the judges are the kings..

good to know 

[Caveira]

6 hours ago, Offthemat said:

Report: ICE Raid at Nebraska Meatpacking Plant Opens Jobs for Americans, Legal Immigrants
 

 

“An NBC News report reveals that a couple of days after the ICE raid, Americans and legal immigrants poured into Glenn Valley Foods with the hope of scoring the newly opened jobs:

Every seat in the waiting area of Glenn Valley Foods was occupied with people filling out job applications early Thursday afternoon, two days after the meatpacking plant became the center of the largest worksite immigration raid in the state of Nebraska so far this year. [Emphasis added]

Dozens of prospective employees, many of them Spanish speakers, had been coming in and out of the plant all day. Some were hoping to land a new job; others were coming in for training. [Emphasis added]

Decades of research have shown that ICE’s worksite raids routinely lead to new job openings for Americans and legal immigrants in the local community.“

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/06/16/report-ice-raid-nebraska-meatpacking-plant-opens-jobs-americans-legal-immigrants/

Trump new “king” of job creation.  

[Bigbrog]

24 minutes ago, red viking said:

Constantly violating checks and balances required per Constitution. That is why the courts have ordered him to reverse so many of his dictatorial executive orders. You can Google all of these orders; no need to regurgitate them here for you. 

LOL...some serious mental gymnastics going on with this statement. 

So an executive order is a sign that the President is trying to be a King??  Did the President get appointed or was he voted in?  How many of the courts orders against him been overturned by a higher court??  Is the President doing what he said he would do on the campaign trail and hence what the majority of the people voted in favor of happening?   Are these the things that makes him a King?

[red viking]

7 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

LOL...some serious mental gymnastics going on with this statement. 

So an executive order is a sign that the President is trying to be a King??  Did the President get appointed or was he voted in?  How many of the courts orders against him been overturned by a higher court??  Is the President doing what he said he would do on the campaign trail and hence what the majority of the people voted in favor of happening?   Are these the things that makes him a King?

Being elected doesn't give anybody the power to do whatever they want. WOW, that you think it does. Scary. But only if they're Republican, right? 

[Bigbrog]

Just now, red viking said:

Being elected doesn't give anybody the power to do whatever they want. WOW, that you think it does. Scary. But only if they're Republican, right? 

Please provide where I said that Presidents can do whatever they want?  I said he is trying to do what he campaigned on and the majority of the people voted for.  And if he was King it wouldn't matter what the courts said now would it??? 

Not to mention THIS is why you think he trying to be a "King"...executive orders??    Something every single President has done and will do in the future??  By the way I never once complained about when Biden did it, Obama did it, etc.  Did you complain about it when they did it??

Or can you at least be intellectually honest and just say it is because you hate Trump and leave it at that instead of continuing with these ridiculous and factually incorrect claims.

[mspart]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

Constantly violating checks and balances required per Constitution. That is why the courts have ordered him to reverse so many of his dictatorial executive orders. You can Google all of these orders; no need to regurgitate them here for you. 

You just described constitutional government.   Not monarchy.  Big time FAIL there RV. 

mspart

Edited Tuesday at 06:35 PM by mspart

[uncle bernard]

20 hours ago, mspart said:

You just described constitutional government.   Not monarchy.  Big time FAIL there RV. 

mspart

Is he following the court orders? If not, then he is acting like a king and disregarding the constitution.

(and the answer is no, he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies)

 

[Bigbrog]

56 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Is he following the court orders? If not, then he is acting like a king and disregarding the constitution.

(and the answer is no, he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies)

 

Please provide exact examples of how "he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies"....

[uncle bernard]

7 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Please provide exact examples of how "he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies"....

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/6-times-trump-administration-clashed-opponents-court-orders/story?id=120846599

6 in here:

1) Deported 100 alleged gang members using Alien Enemies Act. Judge ordered the deportations be stopped. Order came when flight was still in the air. Trump admin first rushed the flight to try to beat the court order, then refused to turn the flight around once the order had been issued.

2) Kilmar Abrego Garcia - illegally deported despite court order (which Trump admin acknowledged) then declined to secure his release and return against the orders of the supreme court

3) Continuing to deport immigrants to third country not of their origin (El Salvador) after Judge issued a restraining order banning this practice until they had their due process right to raise concerns

4) Freezing federal funds and not dispersing to states despite clear court orders to do so

5) Blocking FEMA grants against direct court orders

6) Freezing foreign aid against direct court order

[ionel]

46 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Please provide exact examples of how "he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies"....

I think he is talking about Biden because Biden repeatedly ignored court orders and the Constitution.  

[mspart]

38 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/6-times-trump-administration-clashed-opponents-court-orders/story?id=120846599

6 in here:

1) Deported 100 alleged gang members using Alien Enemies Act. Judge ordered the deportations be stopped. Order came when flight was still in the air. Trump admin first rushed the flight to try to beat the court order, then refused to turn the flight around once the order had been issued.    This is true,   have any more been done?

2) Kilmar Abrego Garcia - illegally deported despite court order (which Trump admin acknowledged) then declined to secure his release and return against the orders of the supreme court    Guess what, Abrego is back in the US facing federal charges.  0 for 2.

3) Continuing to deport immigrants to third country not of their origin (El Salvador) after Judge issued a restraining order banning this practice until they had their due process right to raise concerns   I have not heard that this is happening.   I just read about this in your article and the hearing was last week and the admin is cooperating.   0 for 3.

4) Freezing federal funds and not dispersing to states despite clear court orders to do so.   Trump authorities disagree with the judge in this case.   There is still a question whether a district court judge can make such sweeping decisions.   I believe that is before the SCOTUS.   If SCOTUS says to pay the money, the money will be paid.   If they say no need to pay the money, the money will not be paid.   The Admin will follow SCOTUS ruling.   I would say 0 for 4, but this one is still in work.  

5) Blocking FEMA grants against direct court orders   I don't know if this is part of the SCOTUS/district court discussion but assume it is so see item 4 above.  So 0 for 5 probably.

6) Freezing foreign aid against direct court order    Again, this is a district court determining foreign policy.   The admin disagrees there is proper authority.   SCOTUS will decide.    0 for 6 probably. 

So UB, you are 0 for 3 definitely, and 0-6 most likely based on probably SCOTUS decisions.   Historically, district courts can only deal with the case before them, applying only to their district.   Yet there have been a huge number of district court injunctions against the Trump admin that go outside their district.    So that is a  Constitutional question that should be dealt with.  

mspart

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

Please provide exact examples of how "he's repeatedly ignored court orders to reverse course on certain policies"....

Provided. The only way you can't see this is if you're immersing yourself in right-wing Fox echo chamber. 

[mspart]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Provided. The only way you can't see this is if you're immersing yourself in right-wing Fox echo chamber. 

Already debunked mostly.

mspart

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

So UB, you are 0 for 3 definitely, and 0-6 most likely based on probably SCOTUS decisions.   Historically, district courts can only deal with the case before them, applying only to their district.   Yet there have been a huge number of district court injunctions against the Trump admin that go outside their district.    So that is a  Constitutional question that should be dealt with.  

mspart

You can't say I'm most likely 0-6, then say it's a "Constitutional question that should be dealt with." 

And even then, they've disobeyed direct orders. That's incontrovertible. If they disagree with the orders, they can go through the proper legal process to dispute that. They aren't allowed to just ignore them and proceed. That's a radical departure from civil norms that directly challenges the constitution.

[uncle bernard]

48 minutes ago, mspart said:

Already debunked mostly.

mspart

not debunked actually

[mspart]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

not debunked actually

yeah, actually completely on the first three.   So your argument is not sustainable.  The next three are up to SCOTUS.   As I said, if SCOTUS says district judges can do these things, Trump will comply unlike a King or Dictator.   if they say district judges can't do this, then Trump comply with SCOTUS, unlike a King or Dictator.  

Very poor excuse for a rebuttal UB.   You need to try harder.   Except you can't because you are wrong. 

mspart

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

yeah, actually completely on the first three.   So your argument is not sustainable.  The next three are up to SCOTUS.   As I said, if SCOTUS says district judges can do these things, Trump will comply unlike a King or Dictator.   if they say district judges can't do this, then Trump comply with SCOTUS, unlike a King or Dictator.  

Very poor excuse for a rebuttal UB.   You need to try harder.   Except you can't because you are wrong. 

mspart

You aren't addressing my point because you know you can't refute it.

The Trump administration is allowed to disagree with a district court decision. They aren't allowed to ignore it. They have to appeal it according to the legal process. So whether you think those court decisions are wrong or not is totally irrelevant. They were ordered by a court to do not do something and they did it anyway. That's illegal (which is why several of those courts are mulling Contempt charges).

The Supreme Court has already issued rulings to the Trump administration that they've ignored. There are two cut and dry examples of this in the article. So apparently Trump doesn't always comply with SCOTUS. By your metric, he's officially a King or Dictator.

[mspart]

First your article is out of date written in April. 

Second, "The Supreme Court vacated his order blocking any future removals under the Alien Enemies Act because the plaintiffs lacked jurisdiction to bring a case in D.C. Prior to the Supreme Court's decision, Judge Boasberg was considering beginning contempt proceedings."

third, "After the Trump administration appealed the decision, the U.S. Supreme Court concluded that Judge Paula Xinis "properly" required that the U.S. facilitate Abrego Garcia's release from Salvadoran custody; however, the high court ordered Judge Xinis determine what "deference" Trump is owed related to his conduct of foreign affairs."   Trump brought Abrego back. There was no timeline given. 

3.1  "Before his meeting with Bukele, Trump told reporters that he would respect an order from the Supreme Court to return Abrego Garcia."  He respected the SCOTUS decision.

So in three instances where you say Trump did not do what SCOTUS said, you are wrong.   It's tough I know.

mspart