Is it a Genocide?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

14 hours ago, El Luchador said:

Don't be naive Red, they are doing it for effect. They hate Israel more than they love their own people. The lives of their citizens has maximum value as a propaganda tool. 

They also like the sympathy this creates with "useful idiots" like a few of our posters, and the corresponding influx of money from oil rich Arab countries and Iran.  If Hamas stopped hiding in schools, mosques, hospitals, residential neighborhoods, etc. and took care of their own people, the donations from the billionaires in the region would start to dry up.  The Hamas leaders need thousands of dead and starving Palestinians to keep their personal bank accounts growing.  Peace with Israel is exactly what the leaders of Hamas do not want.

[Bigbrog]

10 hours ago, red viking said:

Cops

Seriously...what is wrong with you??

[Scouts Honor]

who can say?

i mean even if a doctor diagnosed him he would still find something wrong with it

[Scouts Honor]

unless maybe it was dr jill

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

Seriously...what is wrong with you??

He is likely an AI Bot.  Clearly not a serious person.

Edited May 29 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[uncle bernard]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

They also like the sympathy this creates with "useful idiots" like a few of our posters, and the corresponding influx of money from oil rich Arab countries and Iran.  If Hamas stopped hiding in schools, mosques, hospitals, residential neighborhoods, etc. and took care of their own people, the donations from the billionaires in the region would start to dry up.  The Hamas leaders need thousands of dead and starving Palestinians to keep their personal bank accounts growing.  Peace with Israel is exactly what the leaders of Hamas do not want.

So why does Israel keep giving them exactly what they want? If this is true, couldn't they solve this problem by simply not killing thousands of civilians?

The logic of your post is a complete endorsement of what I've been saying all along - the actual way to defeat Hamas is through a peaceful political process that gives the Palestinians a legitimate path to statehood and self-determination. 

Edited May 29 by uncle bernard

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

So why does Israel keep giving them exactly what they want? If this is true, couldn't they solve this problem by simply not killing thousands of civilians?

Hmmm... you don't think this is what Hamas does?

Can Israel let the participants and supporters of 10/7 go unpunished?

What do you suggest for them to do to eliminate Hamas?

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Hmmm... you don't think this is what Hamas does?

Can Israel let the participants and supporters of 10/7 go unpunished?

What do you suggest for them to do to eliminate Hamas?

They've punished them 50x over already. I added the answer to your third question to my original post. I'll put it here too.

The logic of your post is a complete endorsement of what I've been saying all along - the actual way to defeat Hamas is through a peaceful political process that gives the Palestinians a legitimate path to statehood and self-determination. 

Edited May 29 by uncle bernard

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

They've punished them 50x over already. I added the answer to your third question to my original post. I'll put it here too.

The logic of your post is a complete endorsement of what I've been saying all along - the actual way to defeat Hamas is through a peaceful political process that gives the Palestinians a legitimate path to statehood and self-determination. 

A.  Hamas doesn’t want peace

B. Most of Palestinian people still support Hamas and those that don’t are scared to do anything about it. 
 

C.  As long as there are both Jews and Muslims in Gaza there will never be peace. 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

A.  Hamas doesn’t want peace

B. Most of Palestinian people still support Hamas and those that don’t are scared to do anything about it. 
 

C.  As long as there are both Jews and Muslims in Gaza there will never be peace. 

Guess we'll put you down for ethnic cleansing/genocide. Thanks for chiming in.

[Gene Mills Fan]

27 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

a peaceful political process

to legitimize a path forward was in effect until 10/7 

[uncle bernard]

53 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

to legitimize a path forward was in effect until 10/7 

It actually wasn't, which is why 10/7 happened in the first place.

[Offthemat]

 

[red viking]

The lack of logic by the wingers is unreal. Proposing to murder civilians in Gaza because "most" voted for hamas is as bad as saying let's kill all Americans because Trump is evil and the u.s. voted him in. You can't make this craziness up. 

[uncle bernard]

12 minutes ago, red viking said:

The lack of logic by the wingers is unreal. Proposing to murder civilians in Gaza because "most" voted for hamas is as bad as saying let's kill all Americans because Trump is evil and the u.s. voted him in. You can't make this craziness up. 

Especially crazy considering most *didn't* vote for Hamas. Only like 10%, maybe even less, of the Gazan population has ever voted for Hamas.

[mspart]

Has ever?    There was one vote.

mspart

[Bigbrog]

54 minutes ago, red viking said:

The lack of logic by the wingers is unreal. Proposing to murder civilians in Gaza because "most" voted for hamas is as bad as saying let's kill all Americans because Trump is evil and the u.s. voted him in. You can't make this craziness up. 

How is it cops are the same as hamas again????

[uncle bernard]

22 minutes ago, mspart said:

Has ever?    There was one vote.

mspart

Exactly. It's almost as Hamas won a tightly contested election with a minority of votes and then promptly dissolved the democratic apparatus so they could never lose power....

Your guys' worldview is so contradictory. You don't even realize it most of the time. You correctly understand that Hamas is a brutal military terrorist group that runs Gaza under a military dictatorship, but then can't understand why the Gazans don't simply vote them out. 

Maybe if you stopped for two seconds to actually think instead of regurgitating propaganda and cliches, you'd see these very obvious flaws in your arguments.

Just like @Interviewed_at_Weehawken, who, without realizing it, perfectly laid out why Israel's current military strategy is doomed to failure because it plays right into Hamas' source of power. You guys are capable of understanding this stuff if you think for yourselves. Well, at least *some* of you...

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 

Just like @Interviewed_at_Weehawken, who, without realizing it, perfectly laid out why Israel's current military strategy is doomed to failure because it plays right into Hamas' source of power. You guys are capable of understanding this stuff if you think for yourselves. Well, at least *some* of you...

Who is to say what I realize and don't realize?

I think I might know a little more about the area than you think you do.

My Arab-American cousin worked on a Kibbutz for a time and I heard her stories about living there.  She is Arab in appearance and had IDF point Uzis at her on more than one occasion as they checked her paperwork.  Not to mention that she married a man with the last name of Gaza...

Neither her nor her husband are Hamas supporters unlike some of our board membership...

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

Guess we'll put you down for ethnic cleansing/genocide. Thanks for chiming in.

As you support Hamas in their venture to do just that. 

[mspart]

I agree that the Gazans cannot simply vote them out.   But a ruler only has power as long as those ruled over give that power.   The power ulitmately rest with the people.  

There is no doubt in my mind that if Hamas were eliminated and the Gazans could vote again, they would vote for whoever said they would get rid of Israel.   It is how they have been educated for the last several generations. 

mspart

[uncle bernard]

49 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Who is to say what I realize and don't realize?

I think I might know a little more about the area than you think you do.

My Arab-American cousin worked on a Kibbutz for a time and I heard her stories about living there.  She is Arab in appearance and had IDF point Uzis at her on more than one occasion as they checked her paperwork.  Not to mention that she married a man with the last name of Gaza...

Neither her nor her husband are Hamas supporters unlike some of our board membership...

I don't support Hamas either. I just explained how I want them to be defeated.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

Especially crazy considering most *didn't* vote for Hamas. Only like 10%, maybe even less, of the Gazan population has ever voted for Hamas.

Wrong.  I posted stats in the last thread 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Wrong.  I posted stats in the last thread 

You have stats showing that most people in Gaza voted for Hamas? Post them here! 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

You have stats showing that most people in Gaza voted for Hamas? Post them here! 

50% voted for Hamas in that election.    40 for the other terror group.   90+% for terror groups 

Edited May 29 by Caveira