Program culture issues at NLWC/PSU? Thomas Gilman

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

34 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

He’s appealing?  I thought the report was that he accepted it?

Apparently he now GAF? Or his employers GAF.

Keep in mind, Basch is the PSU/NLWC "Ministry of Truth."  Literally does a lot of the "marketing", and would fit Brands' definition of "paid hater."

Edited May 28 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[1032004]

6 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Apparently he now GAF? Or his employers GAF.

Keep in mind, Basch is the PSU/NLWC "Ministry of Truth."  Literally does a lot of the "marketing", and would fit Brands' definition of "paid hater."

I don’t thinks he’s really a “paid hater” of other programs TBH.  Just a “paid lover” of PSU and “his guys”

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

50 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I don’t thinks he’s really a “paid hater” of other programs TBH.  Just a “paid lover” of PSU and “his guys”

Just saying how the Brands probably view him, and they have used that term before.

BTW Basch now appears to obsessed with Barr as his newest "guy."

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Apparently he now GAF? Or his employers GAF.

Keep in mind, Basch is the PSU/NLWC "Ministry of Truth."  Literally does a lot of the "marketing", and would fit Brands' definition of "paid hater."

Listening to the show now.  They said because of the USADA suspension it means he is also suspended by USA Wrestling.  So yeah, that likely means both he and his employers probably care.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

Listening to the show now.  They said because of the USADA suspension it means he is also suspended by USA Wrestling.  So yeah, that likely means both he and his employers probably care.

Geez... who would have guessed???

I mean, he didn't test positive! 

I guess multiple someones now are in GAF mode.

Does he get a job flipping burgers for the next 18 months?

Edited May 28 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

He’s appealing?  I thought the report was that he accepted it?

Yeah I dunno.  Another issue that was brought up was that this suspension suspends his USAW membership including any coaches membership he may have.  This is problem if he was hired to coach at an RTC.  Can't coach at any USAW events and that ostensibly includes practices of a USAW sanctions club/RTC.  

Perhaps at first he thought it wasn't an issue since he wouldn't be competing and now realizes it will be an issue.

[1032004]

1 minute ago, fishbane said:

Yeah I dunno.  Another issue that was brought up was that this suspension suspends his USAW membership including any coaches membership he may have.  This is problem if he was hired to coach at an RTC.  Can't coach at any USAW events and that ostensibly includes practices of a USAW sanctions club/RTC.  

Perhaps at first he thought it wasn't an issue since he wouldn't be competing and now realizes it will be an issue.

Willie seemed to be saying that he didn’t need it just to coach a practice, but I’m not sure that’s correct (and Basch disagreed with him)

[nhs67]

13 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

nhs is a collaborator.  one day I'll compile the best of all his post and take @Hammerlock3 posts and create the greatest rap battle ever

Oh god.  I am all for this.

It'll look like me being a d*ckhead bully, but still.

Edited May 28 by nhs67

[ionel]

13 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

nhs is a collaborator.  one day I'll compile the best of all his post and take @Hammerlock3 posts and create the greatest rap battle ever

But will you post that rap in College, International or the Zoo?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

43 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Yeah I dunno.  Another issue that was brought up was that this suspension suspends his USAW membership including any coaches membership he may have.  This is problem if he was hired to coach at an RTC.  Can't coach at any USAW events and that ostensibly includes practices of a USAW sanctions club/RTC.  

Perhaps at first he thought it wasn't an issue since he wouldn't be competing and now realizes it will be an issue.

Yes, I would assume it means participating in practice.  Similar to how Snyder could not participate while he was under SafeSport suspension.

[PortaJohn]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

But will you post that rap in College, International or the Zoo?

Hmmm...will depend on the vibes at that time

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Geez... who would have guessed???

I mean, he didn't test positive! 

I guess multiple someones now are in GAF mode.

Does he get a job flipping burgers for the next 18 months?

[pokemonster]

On 5/26/2025 at 9:09 PM, bnwtwg said:

Let's run down the TMZ blotter over the past 13 months:

Aaron Brooks pissed hot at U23s on his way to a gold that some say is tainted at best, should be overturned at worst. Eventually got a TUE after the failed test AND after NCAAs AND after Olympic Team Trials - this was a full 6+ months between failure and "free pass." Penn State medical team has legally proven themselves in the past to be willing to turn a blind eye. **gives one twist to the tinfoil fat**

Kyle Snyder, self-proclaimed man of godly faith, gets busted in full 360p display during a sex trafficking operation. **couple more twists on the tinfoil hat**

Thomas Gilman ignored USADA not once, not twice, but three times while an active athlete. How do we know he is active? Two reasons: 1) he literally said "Not retired." during the timeframe in question 2) He went back to the NLWC room and then accepted the freakin' suspension! He didn't say "ahh crap sorry let me make a quick press conference where I set the record straight that I just blew them off because I was done." **lots of twists on the top of the tinfoil hat**

Now let's go through one conspiracy theory that has been discussed ad nauseum, and another which about 4 gilmangummies ago became my latest NLWC conspiracy theory.

David Taylor's physique and association with Treigning Lab has long been discussed. Everyone has an opinion and there is no need to discuss any further, only that it is worth mentioning in this thread. But that's not the big 86kg elephant in the room. Oh no, no, no it is not...

The conspiracy theory surrounding the one and only Aaron Brooks, the Ram Of The East himself is the big one. He's already proven that he will do whatever it takes to study harder, stay up later, and stay hyper-focused. Now if you recall, we all heard the rumors that he skipped the Olympics opening ceremony for a number of reasons - it was raining, he didn't want to be on his feet for a while two weeks before competition, he didn't like the metal band that stole the show, he didn't understand the difference between a greek god and a drag queen, etc etc.

BUT

What if a certain olympic athlete wasn't there because there were other things to be done. Other things much, much more nefarious. Acts that could never be done in public, much less at the most public event in the world. That is... unless there were no witnesses. Did you know that Craig James was at the Paris Olympics but he also chose not to attend the opening ceremony? And do you know what Craig James did at SMU? Spencer Hall is an investigative Journalist (big J journalist, not like those losers at Flo) and sources are saying that he is uncovering a sinister plot that is smack-dab in the middle of the Snyder-James venn diagram, and it ain't good folks.

I think this thread is really onto something - the culture at NLWC/PSU needs to be under full scrutiny. 6 feet under as a matter of fact.

 

This is like true detective stuff. Not that lame 4th season with Jodie Foster but the first season with Woody Harrelson and McConaughey. Good stuff. And all factual in my mind.

[pokemonster]

10 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Willie seemed to be saying that he didn’t need it just to coach a practice, but I’m not sure that’s correct (and Basch disagreed with him)

Yeah, Willie seems to be of the opinion of "who cares" but it sounds like this suspension is going to affect his ability to coach. I think he said Tony Ramos texted him during the show saying he's not gonna be able to coach if the suspension is held up. 

Not surprised considering Gilman comes across as quite the idiot / spaz who doesn't think things through. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Yeah, Willie seems to be of the opinion of "who cares" but it sounds like this suspension is going to affect his ability to coach. I think he said Tony Ramos texted him during the show saying he's not gonna be able to coach if the suspension is held up. 

Not surprised considering Gilman comes across as quite the idiot / spaz who doesn't think things through. 

It’s like he has no one knowledgeable about peds or peds testing at either psu nlwc or okst.  Weird right ?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

43 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Yeah, Willie seems to be of the opinion of "who cares" but it sounds like this suspension is going to affect his ability to coach. I think he said Tony Ramos texted him during the show saying he's not gonna be able to coach if the suspension is held up. 

Not surprised considering Gilman comes across as quite the idiot / spaz who doesn't think things through. 

Also crazy was Willie thinking that Gilman passing three tests in 12 months was a big deal  UFC athletes were tested at least five times a year.  Some were tested around 30 times a year.  The ones that were being tested 30 times a year are generally the ones they are very suspicious about, but they keep passing.  Getting someone to test positive during competition is probably the least likely scenario unless it was a weight cutting agent or the cut caused them to fail.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

11 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Geez... who would have guessed???

I mean, he didn't test positive! 

I guess multiple someones now are in GAF mode.

Does he get a job flipping burgers for the next 18 months?

It doesn't look like these properly uploaded earlier!

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

50 minutes ago, Caveira said:

It’s like he has no one knowledgeable about peds or peds testing at either psu nlwc or okst.  Weird right ?

Also weird that the podcast hosts were thinking that looking for grey areas and loopholes in the suspension rules was ok.  Actually just talking about plain disregard for the rules.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Also weird that the podcast hosts were thinking that looking for grey areas and loopholes in the suspension rules was ok.  Actually just talking about plain disregard for the rules.

ANY other team…  The rhetoric would be so much different.   Weird right?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

15 minutes ago, Caveira said:

ANY other team…  The rhetoric would be so much different.   Weird right?

The amount of excuses and apologists are amazing.  As someone who has been in education and athletics for decades, I had a feeling there might be repercussions for the suspension.  I was ridiculed by blue and white wearing white knights.  This consequence wasn't from PSU directly, but if they are aware, they can't be happy.  Now the apologists are largely disappearing.

I do wonder if DT said: "Thomas, you're not going to be able to coach for a while, I can't employ you."

Also weird that we haven't heard about DT misleading USADA about his whereabouts....

Great program, but the most sensitive fan base around.

Edited May 29 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The amount of excuses and apologists are amazing.  As someone who has been in education and athletics for decades, I had a feeling there might be repercussions for the suspension.  I was ridiculed by blue and white wearing white knights.  This consequence wasn't from PSU directly, but if they are aware, they can't be happy.  Now the apologists are largely disappearing.

I do wonder if DT said: "Thomas, you're not going to be able to coach for a while, I can't employ you."

Also weird that we haven't heard about DT misleading USADA about his whereabouts....

Great program, but the most sensitive fan base around.

Where did some of them go?

[Caveira]

On 5/27/2025 at 6:01 PM, PortaJohn said:

What we know about Tsabolov is he literally fled the scene when WADA showed up to test him.  Gilman is in violation with USADA for whereabout's.  They are different and is why many are saying Gilam was just "IDGAF".

Is porta john one of them ?

[Caveira]

On 5/27/2025 at 10:21 AM, Le duke said:

 

That wasn't a UWW-sanctioned match.

What about the duke?   

[Caveira]

On 5/23/2025 at 10:49 PM, Husker_Du said:

every missed test was after he retired (the OLY Trials)

so who gives a rip? 

he was tested plenty, and never popped, during his medal run.

He retired?   He now gives a rip apparently.    Hopefully not a rip on a bong ha

Edited May 29 by Caveira