"White Genocide" in South Africa

[uncle bernard]

The murder of anybody, white or black, farmer or non-farmer, in South Africa is a problem. South Africa has a very high murder rate, over 26,000 last year. The TAU (Tranvaal Agricultural Union), which represents farmers, reports that 32 people were killed in farm attacks last year - 23 white, 9 black.

The American right consistently points to these attacks as "White Genocide." They point to the anti-apartheid song "Kill the Boer" (which should be retired) as inciting violence. 

My question for you is:

Why do these 32 murders - 30% of which were not even white - constitute a genocide, while the 50,000+ Palestinians killed in Gaza, over a third of which are children, do not constitute a genocide? (Note: the death toll is estimated to be even higher due to tens of thousands of missing Gazans presumed to be buried under the rubble)

@Husker_Du I've seen you talk about the South African "White Genocide" several times. Can you please explain?

[red viking]

Doesn't surprise me that trump only cares about injustices committed against the white race. 

[Scouts Honor]

[Tripnsweep]

"If it's white, it's right."- Trump administration.

Also showing pictures of dead people in the Congo. Africa is the same place right? 

[uncle bernard]

@Husker_Du has time to suspend posters he disagrees with, but not explain why 30 dead white people constitute a "genocide" while 50,000+ arabs don't.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

@Husker_Du has time to suspend posters he disagrees with, but not explain why 30 dead white people constitute a "genocide" while 50,000+ arabs don't.

I don’t think that persons time out had anything to do with husker disagreeing with him.   But you do you. 

[uncle bernard]

11 hours ago, Caveira said:

I don’t think that persons time out had anything to do with husker disagreeing with him.   But you do you. 

For pointing out Willie only cares when white people die? The nerve!

[Husker_Du]

first of all, i hadn't seen this thread until now.

'only cares when white people die' is rich. i have black family members who i love, but if scoring message board points is what you're after.....neat. 

i also don't know that i've ever referred to what's going on in S.A. as 'genocide' (perhaps i did but i don't recall and i'm not going to die on the hill of its definition)

it certainly seems like the killing of white farmers is a problem, and that there are discriminatory laws on the books in S.A., which is rife with government corruption.

 

 

 

[uncle bernard]

12 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

first of all, i hadn't seen this thread until now.

'only cares when white people die' is rich. i have black family members who i love, but if scoring message board points is what you're after.....neat. 

i also don't know that i've ever referred to what's going on in S.A. as 'genocide' (perhaps i did but i don't recall and i'm not going to die on the hill of its definition)

it certainly seems like the killing of white farmers is a problem, and that there are discriminatory laws on the books in S.A., which is rife with government corruption.

 

 

 

Okay, so why do you care more about the lives of 30 white farmers than 50,000 Palestinians? How else am I supposed to interpret that? Maybe you just don't think muslims are people too?

[Husker_Du]

lol. who said i care more about the SA farmers than the Palestinians? 

you need therapy bro. 

 

[El Luchador]

On 5/23/2025 at 9:33 AM, red viking said:

Doesn't surprise me that trump only cares about injustices committed against the white race. 

Nice job with the strawman. 

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Nice job with the strawman. 

Do you know what a,strawman argument is?  You should look it up. 

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, red viking said:

Do you know what a,strawman argument is?  You should look it up. 

Yes, the retort "Doesn't surprise me that Trump only cares about injustices committed against the white race" exemplifies a straw man argument. A straw man fallacy occurs when someone misrepresents an opponent's position to make it easier to attack.

In this case, the original argument highlights the high overall murder rate in South Africa and provides specific data on farm attack victims, noting that both white and black individuals are affected. The retort distorts this by suggesting that the focus is solely on injustices against white individuals, thereby misrepresenting the original point to criticize it more easily.

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

 

Yes, the retort "Doesn't surprise me that Trump only cares about injustices committed against the white race" exemplifies a straw man argument. A straw man fallacy occurs when someone misrepresents an opponent's position to make it easier to attack.

In this case, the original argument highlights the high overall murder rate in South Africa and provides specific data on farm attack victims, noting that both white and black individuals are affected. The retort distorts this by suggesting that the focus is solely on injustices against white individuals, thereby misrepresenting the original point to criticize it more easily.

I actually had to laugh.  It was literally a textbook example. 

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

 

Yes, the retort "Doesn't surprise me that Trump only cares about injustices committed against the white race" exemplifies a straw man argument. A straw man fallacy occurs when someone misrepresents an opponent's position to make it easier to attack.

In this case, the original argument highlights the high overall murder rate in South Africa and provides specific data on farm attack victims, noting that both white and black individuals are affected. The retort distorts this by suggesting that the focus is solely on injustices against white individuals, thereby misrepresenting the original point to criticize it more easily.

That's MY argument, that he only cares about injustices against whites (or israelis). Well, straight people, christins, men, you get the picture. Groups that already have disproportionate power. I 100% believe it and own it. So, actually opposite of a strawman. I'm not misrepresenting it as a winger argument. I'm owning it on my own. Unreal. 

Edited May 27 by red viking

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

That's MY argument, that he only cares about injustices against whites (or israelis). Well, straight people, christins, men, you get the picture. Groups that already have didproportionate power. I 100% believe it and own it. So, actually opposite of a strawman.

Tis literally the textbook definition of a strawman.  

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

That's MY argument, that he only cares about injustices against whites (or israelis). Well, straight people, christins, men, you get the picture. Groups that already have didproportionate power. I 100% believe it and own it. So, actually opposite of a strawman.

Doesn't matter what you believe.  It's what is true. 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Tis literally the textbook definition of a strawman.  

Straw man fallacy is the distortion of someone else's argument to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of addressing the actual argument of the opponent, one may present a somewhat similar but not equal argument.

[red viking]

It's the opposite. I can't believe the ignorance. 

I'm not refuting an argument. I'm making one.. 

Am I in the twilight zone right now?  

Edited May 27 by red viking

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

Straw man fallacy is the distortion of someone else's argument to make it easier to attack or refute. Instead of addressing the actual argument of the opponent, one may present a somewhat similar but not equal argument.

You could have copied that out of my answer.  That definition is literally in there.  

[red viking]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

You could have copied that out of my answer.  That definition is literally in there.  

Re read it then. Im making the argument. Not shooting down a fake one. You understand the difference? 

[1032004]

8 hours ago, Caveira said:

 

 

In this case, the original argument highlights the high overall murder rate in South Africa and provides specific data on farm attack victims, noting that both white and black individuals are affected. The retort distorts this by suggesting that the focus is solely on injustices against white individuals, thereby misrepresenting the original point to criticize it more easily.

Bolding mine - So you’re saying there’s no “white genocide” in South Africa, correct?

[AgaveMaria]

Charlize Theron, my favorite African American.