Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[HokieDave87]

7 minutes ago, BAC said:

Yeah, I dunno about that.  If you're really tight on money, and need to take a second job as an Uber driver at nights to make sure you can pay your rent and feed your kid, would you want customers to not hire you since they don't want to "take advantage of a guy who is in a very bad spot"?  Are they really doing you a favor and acting righteously if they're avoiding you for that reason?

I agree with the general idea that when you text someone offering an illegal act, you never know for sure what you're going to get.  (Snyder just found this out the hard way.)  But I just think it's a little bit self-righteous to say a john is doing *the escort* a favor by not calling her.  I'll bet she'd disagree.

 

I would say he's doing a favor to the people that are being taken advantage of by not calling unless he's sure he's getting an escort that is of sound mind. In this instance he met up with a cop at a hotel room in hopes of it being an anonymous girl. That sounds like a situation where there is a high risk he could've found a girl who was coerced in some way.

To be clear I am stating the environment that he chose to participate in, meeting up at a hotel room from an online ad, doesn't have a way to morally partake. I'd guess it's probably more difficult to find the escorts that are in an appropriate headspace to consent than the sketchy ones.

[BAC]

45 minutes ago, HokieDave87 said:

I would say he's doing a favor to the people that are being taken advantage of by not calling unless he's sure he's getting an escort that is of sound mind. In this instance he met up with a cop at a hotel room in hopes of it being an anonymous girl. That sounds like a situation where there is a high risk he could've found a girl who was coerced in some way.

To be clear I am stating the environment that he chose to participate in, meeting up at a hotel room from an online ad, doesn't have a way to morally partake. I'd guess it's probably more difficult to find the escorts that are in an appropriate headspace to consent than the sketchy ones.

The research is pretty uniform that the underage/coerced women are NOT going to be found in some easily-found online ad, available by text, meeting at her hotel. It's a myth. You might get a cop, you might get a gun in your face, but actual coerced prostitutes are rare and certainly won't be found there. Federal laws criminalizing online providers have driven them offline (e.g. ID requirements), and hotel bookings are too expensive and leave a paper trail. They're apt to be on the street or secreted away in some sleazy pimp house, to the extent they exist at all.

You're also moving the bar a little bit, seemingly requiring more than consent, when you refer to escorts being in an "appropriate headspace" as opposed to "sketchy."  Look, they're pretty much *all* a bit sketchy, or they probably wouldn't be doing this.  They're not exactly future Nobel Laureates, if you know what I mean.  For some it's a need (only way to feed a kid, or a drug habit), for others they'd just rather work 5 hours in bed than 50 hours at McDonalds for the same money. But it's still consensual and they are knowingly engaging in the act.  As such I can't say it's immoral to partake.

Edited May 13 by BAC

[wrestle87]

Random moral grandstanding, and obvious implications of the evil of human trafficking aside, it’s really not our place to impeach a man for something that is as common as the day is long.  We don’t know what sort of understandings they do or don’t have in their relationship, that’s up to them.  Happy relationships come in all shapes and sizes.  Could it potentially be very sh1tty? Yes.  In ten years time could we also be look back and say that this was as dumb as the way weed used to be prosecuted the same as heroin? Also possible.

You each have your own opinions, but great athletes tend to be rather selfish.  This falls in line perfectly with that.  He is a jordan kobe woods level athlete, I expect equal levels of borderline sociopathy live in his brain somewhere too.

Edited May 13 by wrestle87

[alliseeisgold]

36 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

Random moral grandstanding, and obvious implications of the evil of human trafficking aside, it’s really not our place to impeach a man for something that is as common as the day is long.  We don’t know what sort of understandings they do or don’t have in their relationship, that’s up to them.  Happy relationships come in all shapes and sizes.  Could it potentially be very sh1tty? Yes.  In ten years time could we also be look back and say that this was as dumb as the way weed used to be prosecuted the same as heroin? Also possible.

You each have your own opinions, but great athletes tend to be rather selfish.  This falls in line perfectly with that.  He is a jordan kobe woods level athlete, I expect equal levels of borderline sociopathy live in his brain somewhere too.

The fact he handed over cash for a bj and not a full monty lends me to believe there perhaps is some problems at the "homestead"

The biggest remaining question to the reputation hit for Kyle will be how ghetto did he go. 

Is he with 15 other guys mugshots with no teeth and faces of crystal meth ? Most of the stings are done on trashy sites like backpages and Craigslist, and would be incredibly dumb of Kyle to be looking there for multitude of reasons. 

That will become public in addition to $ amount based on when Greg Anthony got caught with an 80 dollar hooker off backpages a few years ago. (Now employed by tnt)

Mr Anthony asked for sex and a bj for 80.

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, happyvalet said:

great, now i'm hungry and it's past my bedtime 

See... the ills of this scourge if you will...are even touching this message board. 

While this 'lil guys Mom was out working, he missed out on his uncrustable and didn't even get to bed at a reasonable time in a school night!

Don't worry bud, she's out grinding(literally) so she can buy you boxes and boxes of uncrustables! All the uncrustables you can eat...like you play for the Broncos! 

[1032004]

6 hours ago, pokemonster said:

 

And Caviar, the reddit said he was known to do this in Columbus and that led to their separation. Not that Ohio State aided and abetted him in it. It also said that word on the street are his Ohio State teammates were sick of him. I get it when you're a preachy douche banging hookers. I always found it odd how him and Kollin Moore, or Logan, or the other guys on the team, weren't very close. Makes sense. I wouldn't be close with him either. 

Where is this on Reddit?  Is it multiple people or just some rando making claims?

[MJD]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Where is this on Reddit?  Is it multiple people or just some rando making claims?

I saw it on Reddit too (look in the wrestling subreddit). I think it was just some rando.

[JimmyCinnabon]

15 hours ago, TNwrestling said:

so he should get a pass because others may or may not have done worse?

That was certainly an interesting take they had. 

[JimmyCinnabon]

15 hours ago, alliseeisgold said:

 

Snyders brand will actually increase in appeal to the non houlier than you crowd. He becomes more relatable. 

 

 

 

 

What?

[BloodRound]

25 minutes ago, MJD said:

I saw it on Reddit too (look in the wrestling subreddit). I think it was just some rando.

What thread though?  I just tried looking around and couldn't find a thing.

[BloodRound]

The only way Snyder survives this is by doing a full turn to Kenny Powers style celebrity.

... But what a real bummer.  I will still never forget where I was when I heard he won the gold.

[MJD]

15 minutes ago, BloodRound said:

What thread though?  I just tried looking around and couldn't find a thing.

It's in this sub reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/wrestling/s/VNOnEOYNyR

 

[MJD]

Someone on reddit posted that this might be a tier 2 sexual offense, meaning he'd have to register for 25 years as a sex offender.  Any legal folks from Ohio know about this?

Edited May 13 by MJD

[cowcards]

8 hours ago, BAC said:

Nah you're good.  My point is that the term "trafficking" is often used in a more expansive way than how you cited it, in order to make it sound like all escorts are victims of some sort.  They aren't.  You'll see a lot of definitions of "trafficking" as some form of "traveling for the purpose of sexual exploitation," which is short for "escorts who travel."  Actual forced prostitution is much less common, and generally has moved offline from the backpage/craigslist to the street/underworld.  I haven't seen anything saying that Snyder's done this more than once, but unless he is traveling in those seedier circles, which seems doubtful if he's answering an online ad to meet at a hotel, it's highly unlikely he's encountered this.

I’ve read a couple times that it was a message on the darkweb and not just some random online ad. It’s pretty easy to get there, but it still takes some learning and setup to do it. And there would be a lot more seedier circles traveling around there. 

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, BloodRound said:

What thread though?  I just tried looking around and couldn't find a thing.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=kyle+snyder+hooker+reddit
 

[BAC]

8 minutes ago, cowcards said:

I’ve read a couple times that it was a message on the darkweb and not just some random online ad. It’s pretty easy to get there, but it still takes some learning and setup to do it. And there would be a lot more seedier circles traveling around there. 

Might want to check your sources. The police report doesn’t say that so it’s probably made up. Ads for stings are usually out in the open so they can nab as many people as possible. Only reason the cops would turn to the dark web is to pose as a child prostitute, and if that’s what happened the charges would be far more serious.

[Tripnsweep]

5 minutes ago, BAC said:

Might want to check your sources. The police report doesn’t say that so it’s probably made up. Ads for stings are usually out in the open so they can nab as many people as possible. Only reason the cops would turn to the dark web is to pose as a child prostitute, and if that’s what happened the charges would be far more serious.

They can always amend charges if they find something else during the investigation. 

[TNwrestling]

The amount of people willing to give him a pass for this is astounding. This was an anti trafficking operation. When you say you're ok with him doing it or its a victimless crime just remember that in A LOT of these transactions one party is being forced to consent. 

 

Hogan will love him though. 

Edited May 13 by TNwrestling

[cowcards]

11 minutes ago, BAC said:

Might want to check your sources. The police report doesn’t say that so it’s probably made up. Ads for stings are usually out in the open so they can nab as many people as possible. Only reason the cops would turn to the dark web is to pose as a child prostitute, and if that’s what happened the charges would be far more serious.

Can you link the police report? I've only seen a couple news articles, which don't ever tell the whole story initially. 

I have no experience in police activity, but if it is increasingly harder to find ads on the open due to newish laws, wouldn't a lot of people turn to the darkweb, whether it is a prostitute or worse?

[BarSeries]

 

[Gus]

12 hours ago, scourge165 said:

That was an odd post. 

I'm skeptical...about the number that's "trafficked." At least in the traditional way you associate the word, but when you see 50% of those who are-are under 18 years old and even the numbers from Law Enforcement that I've seen, 35-40%, that's bad enough. 

I'd also be a little annoyed with a former teammate speaking for me unless he was a very good friend or I asked him to say something because I couldn't just yet. I think the blaming of his wife has GOT to be someone thinking they're funny...and failing. Just a tacky comment, but I'm curious how prevalent that was or if he just amplified the stupidity of those comments. If you see one person making that comment, leave it alone. It's not worth giving it more air. Also, I don't think people are "victimizing" Kyle. I don't generally love the tone. Even pointing out the hypocrisy. The public image and how this contradicts that. That was one of my first thoughts. "Kyle would want, Kyle would not want."

Let Kyle speak for himself. Kyle would want that...
 

You would be mistaken if you think it is just a fringe minority of people that are victimizing Kyle. There were plenty of people white knighting for him and making all kinds of excuses and/or diminishing what he did. The facts of reality are that Kyle Snyder has been the face of FCA wrestling in America for quite some time, has a wife and two children, has perpetrated himself as a man of great faith and integrity and he completely let down a lot of people with his actions. Does that mean that he is irredeemable? Absolutely not. I pray that he gets his life back on track and becomes a better man. But he should be rightly lambasted as a hypocrite for his shameful acts.

Edited May 13 by Gus

[bnwtwg]

Now we know the real reason why David Taylor got as far away as possible from NLWC:

DUIs

Late night Taco Bell run-ins

Sexual assault

Pre-teens assaulting police officers

Human trafficking

Wimps who lose fights because they get their wind knocked out

Adderall addiction

Inferior dodgeball

With all that, why would a world champion want to stick around at such a cesspool?

Edited May 13 by bnwtwg

[MJD]

9 minutes ago, cowcards said:

Can you link the police report? I've only seen a couple news articles, which don't ever tell the whole story initially. 

I have no experience in police activity, but if it is increasingly harder to find ads on the open due to newish laws, wouldn't a lot of people turn to the darkweb, whether it is a prostitute or worse?

Yeah, I wonder the same things. My guess is that cops posted an ad on a site known for this, so their ads were mixed in with real ones. Kyle called at around 8.15pm and arrived at the hotel shortly thereafter, which sorta indicates he knew the routine -- so likely not his first time. 

[NormMacDonald]

Is there a thread about this on Penn State's discussion board? If there is, I can't find it. 

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, NormMacDonald said:

Is there a thread about this on Penn State's discussion board? If there is, I can't find it. 

Someone back a bunch of pages said it was locked.  
 

Perhaps it was deleted?    weird it’s not there.  Every board seems to have one at this point.