Trump Threatens to Tax Harvard as a Political Entity

[Scouts Honor]

dont worry about harvard

qatar will fill the fed money void

it's not like they aren't already

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, red viking said:

why don't you tell me who the specific students were that actually damaged the building or "took it over" and what does a "takeover" entail? 

Nothing happened to any of them.  

[fishbane]

5 hours ago, Caveira said:

"Perhaps Harvard should lose its Tax Exempt Status and be Taxed as a Political Entity if it keeps pushing political, ideological, and terrorist inspired/supporting "Sickness?" he wrote on Truth Social. "Remember, Tax Exempt Status is totally contingent on acting in the PUBLIC INTEREST!"

a little to much support for the terrorists in Palestine…. May get you on the naughty list?

What kind of support are we talking here?  Like they are sending funds or weapons to terrorists?  Or is it just word?

[Scouts Honor]

memory holed yet again

[fishbane]

6 hours ago, Caveira said:

In the middle?

An infamous 2023 survey of the Harvard Faculty of Arts and Sciences by The Harvard Crimson found that 77% of Harvard faculty identified as “liberal” or “very liberal,”followed by 20% as “moderate,” and fewer than 3% as “conservative” or “very conservative.”

I suspect that wrestling has a conservative lean.  If 77% of USAW staff identified as "conservative" or "very conservative" would you be okay with revoking its non-profit status.  I am sure a majority of staff at the Heritage Foundation would identify as conservative or very conservative.  Should their non-profit status be yanked?

[red viking]

32 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I suspect that wrestling has a conservative lean.  If 77% of USAW staff identified as "conservative" or "very conservative" would you be okay with revoking its non-profit status.  I am sure a majority of staff at the Heritage Foundation would identify as conservative or very conservative.  Should their non-profit status be yanked?

Yup. Good analogy. Tax USAW because their membership doesn't happen to vote 50/50 in elections. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

3 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

dont worry about harvard

qatar will fill the fed money void

it's not like they aren't already

Indeed. Just like a Chinese businessman filled Trump's money void.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Since when does the White House determine the tax status of entities? This is a pretty dumb debate about a very dumb concept.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

What kind of support are we talking here?  Like they are sending funds or weapons to terrorists?  Or is it just word?

I would ask him.  But.  If you’re asking me.    All three are wrong.  Two should be criminal.  One is protected assuming you’re following the laws.  
 

I remember reading alot of books on the Vietnam war…. Not history books but books written by GIs where they would find American gifts (food pleasantries etc) sent to the viet cong courtesy of American liberals who were opposed to that war.   So… I have no evidence but I suspect yes people willing to take over college campuses and buildings in support Hamas likely financially support them from time to time.  

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

I suspect that wrestling has a conservative lean.  If 77% of USAW staff identified as "conservative" or "very conservative" would you be okay with revoking its non-profit status.  I am sure a majority of staff at the Heritage Foundation would identify as conservative or very conservative.  Should their non-profit status be yanked?

They’re not allowing pro terrorist activities on their watch.  So it really has nothing to do with where they lean.  
 

I was subtly messing with rv and a few others with that comment.   They (our posters) have denied colleges are enormously left leaning and political.  

[red viking]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

They’re not allowing pro terrorist activities on their watch.  So it really has nothing to do with where they lean.  
 

I was subtly messing with rv and a few others with that comment.   They (our posters) have denied colleges are enormously left leaning and political.  

The hypocrisy of the right is funny. They constantly whine about universities being liberal but NEVER complain about (tax exempt) churches being winger. 

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

The hypocrisy of the right is funny. They constantly whine about universities being liberal but NEVER complain about (tax exempt) churches being winger. 

I said churches should be taxed boss.   Read above. 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I said churches should be taxed boss.   Read above. 

That's great (seriously) but most wingers don't. Are you a winger btw? 

Edited Wednesday at 11:18 PM by red viking

[JimmySpeaks]

Churches absolutely should be taxed.  Mosques too. 

[Caveira]

25 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Churches absolutely should be taxed.  Mosques too. 

All religions should be taxed. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

All religions should be taxed. 

Yep. I agree.  I’m just making sure a certain Hamas supporter understands it will be more than just Christian churches.  

[Bigbrog]

14 hours ago, red viking said:

The hypocrisy of the right is funny. They constantly whine about universities being liberal but NEVER complain about (tax exempt) churches being winger. 

Are you going to admit you were wrong again....we'll wait.....

[JimmySpeaks]

https://allisrael.com/palestinian-american-billionaire-resigns-from-harvard-amid-lawsuit-tied-to-hamas-led-oct-7-attack
 

 

harvard board member resigns after it’s discovered he helped fund the Hamas genocide attack on Oct 7,2023 

[fishbane]

19 hours ago, Caveira said:

I would ask him.  But.  If you’re asking me.    All three are wrong.  Two should be criminal.  One is protected assuming you’re following the laws.  
 

I remember reading alot of books on the Vietnam war…. Not history books but books written by GIs where they would find American gifts (food pleasantries etc) sent to the viet cong courtesy of American liberals who were opposed to that war.   So… I have no evidence but I suspect yes people willing to take over college campuses and buildings in support Hamas likely financially support them from time to time.  

I think it is only criminal to provide material support to such a group.   This discussion makes me think of that Russian-American lady who was imprisoned in Russia on treason charges because she had made a ~$50 donation to an American non-profit that was providing humanitarian aid to Ukraine.  Such a thing is not illegal in the US.  I don't know about your Viet Cong example specifically, but food and pleasantries sound like humanitarian aid.  I mean feeding the military directly probably is, but I don't know if that was the intended destination.   

I don't think Harvard or the student protestors are in general providing material support to Hamas.  There aren't doing a weapons drive to send to Gaza.  If there are some individuals providing material support then I think the government should charge them with a crime and present the evidence rather than attempting to change the tax designation of Harvard, which makes very little sense.  

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I think it is only criminal to provide material support to such a group.   This discussion makes me think of that Russian-American lady who was imprisoned in Russia on treason charges because she had made a ~$50 donation to an American non-profit that was providing humanitarian aid to Ukraine.  Such a thing is not illegal in the US.  I don't know about your Viet Cong example specifically, but food and pleasantries sound like humanitarian aid.  I mean feeding the military directly probably is, but I don't know if that was the intended destination.   

I don't think Harvard or the student protestors are in general providing material support to Hamas.  There aren't doing a weapons drive to send to Gaza.  If there are some individuals providing material support then I think the government should charge them with a crime and present the evidence rather than attempting to change the tax designation of Harvard, which makes very little sense.  

I don’t have specifics …. Just remembering as I read dozens+ of Vietnam books that troops in the field found liberal American aid to the Viet cong pretty frequently.  Aiding the enemy with financial or other items I think is reprehensible.   

[fishbane]

19 hours ago, Caveira said:

They’re not allowing pro terrorist activities on their watch.  So it really has nothing to do with where they lean.  
 

I was subtly messing with rv and a few others with that comment.   They (our posters) have denied colleges are enormously left leaning and political.  

My understanding is that there aren't terrorist activities going on at Harvard.  What pro-terrorist activities are happening at Harvard specifically?

A conservative or liberal lean to an organization is not a reason for the IRS to treat them differently.  This was a big issue years ago under Obama when it was alleged that the IRS gave greater scrutiny to conservative non-profits.  It would similarly be wrong now for the IRS to give greater scrutiny to liberal colleges and universities. 

[Caveira]

8 minutes ago, fishbane said:

My understanding is that there aren't terrorist activities going on at Harvard.  What pro-terrorist activities are happening at Harvard specifically?

A conservative or liberal lean to an organization is not a reason for the IRS to treat them differently.  This was a big issue years ago under Obama when it was alleged that the IRS gave greater scrutiny to conservative non-profits.  It would similarly be wrong now for the IRS to give greater scrutiny to liberal colleges and universities. 

They’re not targeted because they’re liberal.  They’re targeted because they allow pro terrorist activities.    

[Bigbrog]

I'm not sure how hard it is to understand that while someone can most certainly go around saying they support terrorists (without materially providing support) as it is protected by the first amendment; however, you can't block access to people from going places, you can't vandalize property, you can't take over buildings, you can't set up encampments on campus, and you also are held to a certain behavioral expectation especially when on a private college campus.  I bet if RV spewed his rhetoric at his job he would be fired on the spot.

As for government support for colleges, I am fine with whatever the past/current/future President/Congress finds acceptable to give grants to as long as it is based on merit and the purpose is to better the students and the country...and am fine if they choose to no longer give grants.  

Just like elections have consequences, behavior has consequences, including college administrations behavior.

[fishbane]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

I'm not sure how hard it is to understand that while someone can most certainly go around saying they support terrorists (without materially providing support) as it is protected by the first amendment; however, you can't block access to people from going places, you can't vandalize property, you can't take over buildings, you can't set up encampments on campus, and you also are held to a certain behavioral expectation especially when on a private college campus.  I bet if RV spewed his rhetoric at his job he would be fired on the spot.

As for government support for colleges, I am fine with whatever the past/current/future President/Congress finds acceptable to give grants to as long as it is based on merit and the purpose is to better the students and the country...and am fine if they choose to no longer give grants.  

Just like elections have consequences, behavior has consequences, including college administrations behavior.

This topic is regarding the IRS re-evaluating their non-profit status.  It is not related to the grant money.

Behaviour certainly has consequences and on a private college campus those consequences are up to the institute's administration. This is similar to your example with RV potentially being disciplined by his employer for his words/actions at work.

[Husker_Du]

misleading title by resident polemic.

they are proposing to tax their INVESTMENT REVENUE. which is a big distinction.