due process

[Scouts Honor]

5 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

You know Eastman got disbarred for his dishonesty right? 

how many covid lovers will be removed?

how many media and high level admins were dishonest about biden?

etc etc etc 

[Caveira]

Here is an interesting vid of Chuck Schumer.  Proves democrats aren’t really interested in due process per se.  They want to keep all illegals here give them amnesty and let them vote.   It’s not super old (2 years) but he references the 11 million illegals Biden let in.  
 

 

[Paul158]

10 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Here is an interesting vid of Chuck Schumer.  Proves democrats aren’t really interested in due process per se.  They want to keep all illegals here give them amnesty and let them vote.   It’s not super old (2 years) but he references the 11 million illegals Biden let in.  
 

 

WE need more workers. AKA, we need more democrat voters.

[Offthemat]

6 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

You know Eastman got disbarred for his dishonesty right? 

No, I hadn’t heard that.  Maybe you can provide a link to that information.  

[uncle bernard]

9 hours ago, Offthemat said:

Incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial. 

Even this is gibberish lol

[Scouts Honor]

DUE PROCESS!!!

again i ask 

why do you trust the GOVT

[Scouts Honor]

DUE PROCESS!!!

 

[ionel]

5 hours ago, red viking said:

Only an activist judge is gonna say we are at war with illegal immigrants. 

But terrorists would be different correct? 

[uncle bernard]

5 hours ago, Paul158 said:

I want to add one more item. Disbar and remove all activist Judges. There that's better.

There wouldn't be any Republican judges left in this country.

[uncle bernard]

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

But terrorists would be different correct? 

Terrorists still have due process rights.

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Terrorists still have due process rights.

Everybody has some form of due process correct?  Just may not be the same as citizens. 

[VakAttack]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

Everybody has some form of due process correct?  Just may not be the same as citizens. 

Nope.  Everybody is entitled to the same due process under the Constitution if they're charged with a crime.

[Tripnsweep]

4 hours ago, Offthemat said:

No, I hadn’t heard that.  Maybe you can provide a link to that information.  

https://www.courthousenews.com/former-trump-lawyer-appeals-disbarment-recommendation-over-role-in-2020-election/

He's appealing it of course, but it's like pissing into the wind if they're recommending you be disbarred. 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Nope.  Everybody is entitled to the same due process under the Constitution if they're charged with a crime.

So no matter where they are in the world.  What about the guy Obama drone assassinated? 

[Offthemat]

2 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

DUE PROCESS!!!

again i ask 

why do you trust the GOVT

What are the odds that some city official owns the maintenance company that gets the contract for these jobs?

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Everybody is entitled to the same due process under the Constitution if they're charged with a crime.

What’s the case that says this?

[VakAttack]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

So no matter where they are in the world.  What about the guy Obama drone assassinated? 

Separate issue, but I am against all drone assassinations (not just the guy you're referencing) and, yes, he was denied his due process rights thru this extrajudicial execution.

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, VakAttack said:

Separate issue, but I am against all drone assassinations (not just the guy you're referencing) and, yes, he was denied his due process rights thru this extrajudicial execution.

Which in your legal estimation was a bigger violation of due process.   
 

a) deported to a horrible country 

b) dead guy.  
 

?

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

He's appealing it of course, but it's like pissing into the wind if they're recommending you be disbarred. 

Is a disbarment recommendation the same as a disbarment?

[VakAttack]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Which in your legal estimation was a bigger violation of due process.   
 

a) deported to a horrible country 

b) dead guy.  
 

?

On an individual scale of al-Aluaki vs. Abrego Garcia?  The dead guy, but he's dead and I can't do much about that.  Plus, unfortunately all presidents are ordering people in other countries killed all the time without trials, and I'm against them all.  That includes Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump again.  In terms of the scale of the problem, this one is affecting WAY more people, so it's a much bigger overall problem in terms of number of people/lives affected.

 

6 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

What’s the case that says this?

It's discussed in dozens and dozens of cases, as well as the text of the Constitution itself which reads that "no person [note that it doesn't say citizen] will be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."

 

As to just a couple of cases, there was Yick Wo v. Hopkins, Wong Wing v. United States, and Reno v. Flores just to name three.

[Tripnsweep]

11 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Is a disbarment recommendation the same as a disbarment?

Pretty much. Unless there's something they missed in the hearing about it. Or there's new evidence that hasn't been seen. We had a former county attorney who got disbarred for basically doing the same kind of thing. 

[Offthemat]

21 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Everybody is entitled to the same due process under the Constitution if they're charged with a crime.

I notice that you include the qualification “if they’re charged with a crime.”  While waiting for your reply, John Yoo was on saying that illegal immigrants do not get the same level of due process, and not the same “beyond reasonable doubt” requirement for criminal trials of citizens.  So, are you saying that they only get a limited amount of due process for immigration status proceedings?

[Offthemat]

3 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Pretty much.

A recommendation for a thing is the thing.  That’s your position?

[VakAttack]

Just now, Offthemat said:

I notice that you include the qualification “if they’re charged with a crime.”  While waiting for your reply, John Yoo was on saying that illegal immigrants do not get the same level of due process, and not the same “beyond reasonable doubt” requirement for criminal trials of citizens.  So, are you saying that they only get a limited amount of due process for immigration status proceedings?

Due process means different things within the context of the type of interaction you're having with the legal system.  Most generally, you can understand it to mean that a person is entitled for a judge or magistrate to hold hearings and make findings after hearing arguments presented from both sides of an issue.  So it's not really a "more or less due process" situation.  For example, my clients charged with a new crime are entitled to a trial; however, my clients who are charged with violating their probation are entitled to a contested hearing (no jury, lower standard of proof).  Both are due process.

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

On an individual scale of al-Aluaki vs. Abrego Garcia?  The dead guy, but he's dead and I can't do much about that.  Plus, unfortunately all presidents are ordering people in other countries killed all the time without trials, and I'm against them all.  That includes Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump again.  In terms of the scale of the problem, this one is affecting WAY more people, so it's a much bigger overall problem in terms of number of people/lives affected.

 

It's discussed in dozens and dozens of cases, as well as the text of the Constitution itself which reads that "no person [note that it doesn't say citizen] will be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."

 

As to just a couple of cases, there was Yick Wo v. Hopkins, Wong Wing v. United States, and Reno v. Flores just to name three.

Thanks….. thanks for your take on it.