due process

[Tripnsweep]

23 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

A recommendation for a thing is the thing.  That’s your position?

That's usually how it works. It just lacks the formality, which comes later, but in most cases a state bar association recommending disbarment is pretty serious. They wouldn't do that unless they felt like there were serious ethical rules broken, or other problems. In Eastman's case, what he did was so breathtakingly stupid, and then instead of apologizing he doubled down, they aren't left with much choice. 

[Paul158]

56 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Nope.  Everybody is entitled to the same due process under the Constitution if they're charged with a crime.

Unless you get pardoned by the President. They have a new one now called the pre-pardon and the post pardon. That kinda skips due process.

[Offthemat]

6 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

That's usually how it works. It just lacks the formality, which comes later, but in most cases a state bar association recommending disbarment is pretty serious. They wouldn't do that unless they felt like there were serious ethical rules broken, or other problems. In Eastman's case, what he did was so breathtakingly stupid, and then instead of apologizing he doubled down, they aren't left with much choice. 

But do you agree that someone could truthfully say that he hasn’t been disbarred, because, well, he hasn’t been?

[Tripnsweep]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

But do you agree that someone could truthfully say that he hasn’t been disbarred, because, well, he hasn’t been?

He's been disbarred. Unless there's some compelling reason that he neglected to mention, his appeal will most likely be denied. 

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, Offthemat said:

What are the odds that some city official owns the maintenance company that gets the contract for these jobs?

1:1

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2 hours ago, Tripnsweep said:

https://www.courthousenews.com/former-trump-lawyer-appeals-disbarment-recommendation-over-role-in-2020-election/

He's appealing it of course, but it's like pissing into the wind if they're recommending you be disbarred. 

so he doesn't get due process? 

it's just a sham soviet style trial>? 

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, VakAttack said:

On an individual scale of al-Aluaki vs. Abrego Garcia?  The dead guy, but he's dead and I can't do much about that.  Plus, unfortunately all presidents are ordering people in other countries killed all the time without trials, and I'm against them all.  That includes Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, and Trump again.  In terms of the scale of the problem, this one is affecting WAY more people, so it's a much bigger overall problem in terms of number of people/lives affected.

 

It's discussed in dozens and dozens of cases, as well as the text of the Constitution itself which reads that "no person [note that it doesn't say citizen] will be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law."

 

As to just a couple of cases, there was Yick Wo v. Hopkins, Wong Wing v. United States, and Reno v. Flores just to name three.

could compensate his fam

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, Tripnsweep said:

He's been disbarred.

Your cite only says “recommended.”

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oops

 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

oops

 

And so what is the rest of the story and why is no one reporting it?  Where did the 8 guys go?

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well, paul is dead....

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

well, paul is dead....

true but still ...

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i miss that voice

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

i miss that voice

... any now you know ... 

[Scouts Honor]

vetted coming in? no way... no need

 

vetted going out? of course... 

[Caveira]

56 minutes ago, ionel said:

And so what is the rest of the story and why is no one reporting it?  Where did the 8 guys go?

The reality is that we are not sure how to figure out what’s factual or how to feel about this until our favorite frustration crustacean tells us how to feel.      

[Tripnsweep]

6 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

so he doesn't get due process? 

it's just a sham soviet style trial>? 

He did get due process.

I don't think you understand what due process is. Generally, unless there's a specific reason, bar complaints like this are run similarly to any court proceeding. People can testify, produce evidence, etc. Due process doesn't necessarily mean it has to take place in court, and since Eastman isn't charged with committing a crime in California, he is in a half dozen other states though, the California bar is taking steps to discipline him due to his conduct. So yes he has had his day in court and they still recommended to suspend him, which is on hold pending his appeal. If there was no due process involved, they wouldn't wait. 

Him being charged with several felonies in various states weighs heavily on this because he violated ethical and professional conduct. So even if he manages to escape being convicted or pleading guilty, the bar still believes he acted improperly and will take action to discipline him because of his conduct. 

[uncle bernard]

20 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

so he doesn't get due process? 

it's just a sham soviet style trial>? 

You: *points at a disciplinary hearing proceeding according to set rules and procedures, including an appeal process* "What, no due process?"

Brother, what do you think due process is? 

Also, state bar organizations are not part of the US government. They are not required to follow "due process," though they choose to do so anyway by their own preference.

My advice to you would be to take a couple hours to read our Constitution. It's not a long document or hard to follow. 

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[ionel]

58 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

 

Abd where are the 8 now?  If they got addresses they recorded names as well correct?  Or did the FBI delete all record and media has no interest?

[jross]

How can we streamline due process for immigration cases?

Which laws need reform, and what roles must increased to accelerate the deportation vs stay outcomes?

[Tripnsweep]

45 minutes ago, jross said:

How can we streamline due process for immigration cases?

Which laws need reform, and what roles must increased to accelerate the deportation vs stay outcomes?

Probably not by cutting funding like Trump did. Good place to start. 

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

Probably not by cutting funding like Trump did. Good place to start. 

As per Chuck Schumer vid posted above.   They want all to stay here and given citizenship.   Ds simply don’t want them deported and will fight tooth and nail against any progress towards deportation.