Rumor has it Bo is giving back his hodge

[Caveira]

Since Carter did not win he will fft his hodge trophy.  Is this true?   I’m not in the know.    He does say it in this vid 

 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT2TNdma4/

is it true psu athletes and fans whine like wnba fans?    Are they the angel Reese of wrestling fans?

Edited Tuesday at 03:24 AM by Caveira

[okokzach]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:21 AM, Caveira said:

Are they the angel Reese of wrestling fans?

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Keep my wife's name out your ******* mouth 

[headshuck]

If Starocci had lost to McEnelly at the B1G or Keckeisen in the NCAA final would fans still be rallying for a Hodge for his 4 previous titles?

[okokzach]

  On 4/1/2025 at 10:54 AM, headshuck said:

If Starocci had lost to McEnelly at the B1G or Keckeisen in the NCAA final would fans still be rallying for a Hodge for his 4 previous titles?

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those fans would jump to the "techs are more dominant than pins" ship 

[scourge165]

  On 4/1/2025 at 12:50 PM, okokzach said:

those fans would jump to the "techs are more dominant than pins" ship 

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Rob Rohn already settled the "techs are more dominant than pins" debate.

You can get pinned without getting dominated. Hard to get teched without getting dominated. 

Bo Nickal is...insufferable though. I thought given the times they split it...they should have split it this year. But Wyatt winning it hardly means it's "meaningless." He WAS undefeated and he...did earn it. 

And who was the HWT they "gave" it to a few years ago? Is he talking about Gable still? Because he kinda earned it(though...not a ton of pins IIRC). 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:03 PM, scourge165 said:

Rob Rohn already settled the "techs are more dominant than pins" debate.

You can get pinned without getting dominated. Hard to get teched without getting dominated. 

Bo Nickal is...insufferable though. I thought given the times they split it...they should have split it this year. But Wyatt winning it hardly means it's "meaningless." He WAS undefeated and he...did earn it. 

And who was the HWT they "gave" it to a few years ago? Is he talking about Gable still? Because he kinda earned it(though...not a ton of pins IIRC). 

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The year they split (2021) he and Spencer Lee had similar stats for pinfalls and bonus, though Lee was slightly better in both. 

In 2022 Steveson beat out Yianni Diakomihalis with his 1 pin, but he had a much higher bonus rate that year (83 vs 57). In hindsight, would have been nice to see a four timer get a Hodge.

[alex1fly]

I hope he does. And then he can give back his NCs, his podcast microphone, and delete his online presence. 

[BloodRound]

 

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:21 PM, alex1fly said:

I hope he does. And then he can give back his NCs, his podcast microphone, and delete his online presence. 

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I hope he stays online.  I love watching the weekly Bo Job Nickal crashout at this point.

[okokzach]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:03 PM, scourge165 said:

Rob Rohn already settled the "techs are more dominant than pins" debate.

You can get pinned without getting dominated. Hard to get teched without getting dominated. 

Bo Nickal is...insufferable though. I thought given the times they split it...they should have split it this year. But Wyatt winning it hardly means it's "meaningless." He WAS undefeated and he...did earn it. 

And who was the HWT they "gave" it to a few years ago? Is he talking about Gable still? Because he kinda earned it(though...not a ton of pins IIRC). 

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Pins are worth more. So if you're dominant enough that you can get a pin, you will do it because it's incentivized. 

As for Wyatt, he got 13 pins and 8 techs. Please show me which of his pins were not dominant. 

[MidniteToka]

Give Nickal's 2019 Hodge to Nolf.  Problem solved. 

[ionel]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:18 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

 

In 2022 Steveson beat out Yianni Diakomihalis with his 1 pin, but ...

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... there is hope. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:55 PM, ionel said:

... there is hope. 

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Check your calendar

[ionel]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:39 PM, okokzach said:

Pins are worth more. So if you're dominant enough that you can get a pin, you will do it because it's incentivized. 

As for Wyatt, he got 13 pins and 8 techs. Please show me which of his pins were not dominant. 

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I'd say too he worked those pins.   It's not like he was just rolling over fat boys he was working bar srm series etc to get the majors & tech points and punishing those guys to get the pins.  Ask Feldman how it felt.  

[okokzach]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:59 PM, ionel said:

I'd say too he worked those pins.   It's not like he was just rolling over fat boys he was working bar srm series etc to get the majors & tech points and punishing those guys to get the pins.  Ask Feldman how it felt.  

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And every one of his opponents knew that was his intention. Like smash mouth football, you know what the play is, you just have to try to stop it 

[scourge165]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:39 PM, okokzach said:

Pins are worth more. So if you're dominant enough that you can get a pin, you will do it because it's incentivized. 

As for Wyatt, he got 13 pins and 8 techs. Please show me which of his pins were not dominant. 

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Please show me where I said ANYTHING about his pins "not being dominant?"

 

I think Tech's show more dominance. That you have now made me aware they're not worth as much in a duel or tournament as a pin is...truly shocking and new information to me! LOL....

 

This isn't a difficult concept. A pin can be one sequence in which you come out ahead on a guy. 

It's hard to get a 15 point lead without dominating someone. It's NOT nearly as hard to end up with a fall in a close match. 

[lisa morales]

Poor Nick Feldman.  Things just haven't worked out at Ohio State.

[okokzach]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:21 PM, scourge165 said:

I think Tech's show more dominance. That you have now made me aware they're not worth as much in a duel or tournament as a pin is...truly shocking and new information to me! LOL....

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Contend with my argument then. If pins are worth more and you're the most dominant wrestler, why would you choose not to get a pin? You wouldn't.

If you are dominant enough that you can get pins consistently, you will get pins consistently.

[scourge165]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:28 PM, okokzach said:

Contend with my argument then. If pins are worth more and you're the most dominant wrestler, why would you choose not to get a pin? You wouldn't.

If you are dominant enough that you can get pins consistently, you will get pins consistently.

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I did "contend" with your arugment then. You just didn't like it. 

[okokzach]

  On 4/1/2025 at 2:44 PM, scourge165 said:

I did "contend" with your arugment then. You just didn't like it. 

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No, you made a separate argument saying you can imagine a circumstance where a pin comes in a non-dominant fashion. 

You did not contend with my argument for why a dominating wrestler would choose to get 5 points if he is capable of getting 6 points. 

[Hammerlock3]

Tech's show more technical prowess, however 95% of the time you have to quit to get pinned. Far less people quit in the course of being teched. 

[Hammerlock3]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:00 PM, Hammerlock3 said:

Tech's show more technical prowess, however 95% of the time you have to quit to get pinned. Far less people quit in the course of being teched. 

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Could also say tech shows superiority in the science of wrestling and pins in the art..... 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

  On 4/1/2025 at 1:18 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

The year they split (2021) he and Spencer Lee had similar stats for pinfalls and bonus, though Lee was slightly better in both. 

In 2022 Steveson beat out Yianni Diakomihalis with his 1 pin, but he had a much higher bonus rate that year (83 vs 57). In hindsight, would have been nice to see a four timer get a Hodge.

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I also think Gable actually won the vote, but they were tied with first place votes, so it was split.  Does this sound right.  Both great wrestlers, but big mistake.

[ionel]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:06 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I also think Gable actually won the vote, but they were tied with first place votes, so it was split.  Does this sound right.  Both great wrestlers, but big mistake.

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In case of a tie the two wrestlers should have to fight it out on the mat.  Wrestlestat always always had Lee beating Steveson, could of been a good test of their algorithm.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:11 PM, ionel said:

In case of a tie the two wrestlers should have to fight it out on the mat.  Wrestlestat always always had Lee beating Steveson, could of been a good test of their algorithm.  

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LOL  

But I don't think it was an actual tie.  Gable won.  1st place votes were tied, so they gave it to Spencer.  Not cool.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/1/2025 at 3:06 PM, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I also think Gable actually won the vote, but they were tied with first place votes, so it was split.  Does this sound right.  Both great wrestlers, but big mistake.

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Lee won the fan vote by a huge margin, 5:1 (25,712 to 5,202)

They referenced multiple committee members voting for co-winners.

Two years before they released the number of Nolf/Nickal co-votes, but not this year.