Effect of the 3-point TD

[lu_alum]

It seems to me that, in bouts with evenly matched competitors, the risk/reward to a 3-pt TD has resulted in fewer takedown attempts.  We definitely have seen the increase in bonus point results, but I believe we've also seen more 1-1 matches going to SV as a result.

Thoughts?

[1032004]

Nvm

Edited Sunday at 02:08 AM by 1032004

[Caveira]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:06 AM, lu_alum said:

It seems to me that, in bouts with evenly matched competitors, the risk/reward to a 3-pt TD has resulted in fewer takedown attempts.  We definitely have seen the increase in bonus point results, but I believe we've also seen more 1-1 matches going to SV as a result.

Thoughts?

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And allows for more stalling in the third period after one occurs.  Those 4-1 scores are ballz.  
 

drop the 3 pt takedown 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Go back to 2 point TDs

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:06 AM, lu_alum said:

It seems to me that, in bouts with evenly matched competitors, the risk/reward to a 3-pt TD has resulted in fewer takedown attempts.  We definitely have seen the increase in bonus point results, but I believe we've also seen more 1-1 matches going to SV as a result.

Thoughts?

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Feels that way.

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:24 AM, Caveira said:

And allows for more stalling in the third period after one occurs.  Those 4-1 scores are ballz.  
 

drop the 3 pt takedown 

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I did not anticipate that would be a side effect, but it sure is.

[BruceyB]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:06 AM, lu_alum said:

It seems to me that, in bouts with evenly matched competitors, the risk/reward to a 3-pt TD has resulted in fewer takedown attempts.  We definitely have seen the increase in bonus point results, but I believe we've also seen more 1-1 matches going to SV as a result.

Thoughts?

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I hadn't seen it so apparent that our product is bad until tonight, watching match after match be excruciating to watch. I think you're definitely onto something because with the current system, if you give up 1 TD, escape, and then exchange escapes you're going to be down 4-2 in the third and have to either A. earn 3 stall calls in 2 minutes or B. score a takedown on someone gaming the stall calls while floating to the edge and then acting active once about to go OB to get an action call. Tonight was a major blackeye on the college product other than a few bright spots. 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:06 AM, lu_alum said:

It seems to me that, in bouts with evenly matched competitors, the risk/reward to a 3-pt TD has resulted in fewer takedown attempts.  We definitely have seen the increase in bonus point results, but I believe we've also seen more 1-1 matches going to SV as a result.

Thoughts?

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i remember someone saying this when the 3pt TD was announced

 

lets see if i can remember his name 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:24 AM, Caveira said:

And allows for more stalling in the third period after one occurs.  Those 4-1 scores are ballz.  
 

drop the 3 pt takedown 

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i remember someone saying this as well... 

can't recall his name

[Scouts Honor]

guys the finals are ALWAYS boring

i have watched every single one since 1990...

nothing new here

 

[Dark Energy]

I don’t know that I see any casualty linking the 3 pt to fewer TD attempts. Can someone explain the rationale?

I do agree that a 3 or 2 pt margin does promote stalling at end. Which is pissing me off.
 

 

[Scouts Honor]

if i take a shot...and get countered,now im down 3

so that makes me cautious

[russelscout]

2 point takedown and a push out. This is going to increase the amount of points scored and make giving up a takedown less risky. It also increases the impact of stall calls.

Edited Sunday at 02:49 AM by russelscout

[1032004]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:37 AM, Scouts Honor said:

guys the finals are ALWAYS boring

i have watched every single one since 1990...

nothing new here

 

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Kinda agree.  I’d be curious to see data if there were actually more 1-1 SV matches though, or if it’s just recency bias 

[Scouts Honor]

yeah, i think we might have set a record for OT matches here...

but the finals are always boring.. unless you have an upset like gable

or mcilravy

or dake-taylor

when the big boys lose, that is what makes it exciting 

[Scouts Honor]

no pushout

then we become sumo

another unintended consequence 

[Caveira]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:52 AM, Scouts Honor said:

no pushout

then we become sumo

another unintended consequence 

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Freestyle is so boring.  

[Scouts Honor]

i wouldn't go that far

no more boring than folk can be.

there just isn't as much of 'team' factor until you actually get to worlds/olympics

but those freco rules haven't gotten rid of stalling etc

[Caveira]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:55 AM, Scouts Honor said:

i wouldn't go that far

no more boring than folk can be.

there just isn't as much of 'team' factor until you actually get to worlds/olympics

but those freco rules haven't gotten rid of stalling etc

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We already have a freestyle season.  If college athletes prefer freestyle they can go do that.  They don’t.  And they don’t for a reason.   Why ruin folkstyle season.  The attendance at NCAAs should alone tell you vs something like the us open.  Wtt.  Ott.  Or final x the American public exponentially supports folkstyle more. 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 3/23/2025 at 3:01 AM, Caveira said:

We already have a freestyle season.   Why ruin folkstyle season.  

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exactly

lets do both!!

[Scouts Honor]

attendance depends on where you are.

in 2005 it was in ames, NO ONE there. even in IOWA.

a few years later took my kid to CHA ... packed... 

[Caveira]

  On 3/23/2025 at 3:02 AM, Scouts Honor said:

exactly

lets do both!!

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We have both today.  Agreed.  Just stop with the converting folkstyle rules to freestyle.  That’s not good for the sport. 

Edited Sunday at 03:04 AM by Caveira

[Offthemat]

The only answer is to make stalling a 2 point penalty.  /sarc 

[Eagle26]

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:44 AM, Scouts Honor said:

if i take a shot...and get countered,now im down 3

so that makes me cautious

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I don’t buy it. You’re down one takedown either way. I don’t see an increase in cautious wrestling because of the rule change. This has been a gradual increase because guys are so darn good at counter offense. 
 

  On 3/23/2025 at 2:38 AM, Dark Energy said:

I don’t know that I see any casualty linking the 3 pt to fewer TD attempts. Can someone explain the rationale?

I do agree that a 3 or 2 pt margin does promote stalling at end. Which is pissing me off.
 

 

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This. The stalling part is an unintended consequence for sure, but I don’t think there’s anything to suggest there are fewer TD attempts. I think the 3 pt takedown gives you a better indicator of the more dominant wrestler, but is it worth the trade off of more stalling with a 3 pt lead? Not sure.

[Scouts Honor]

  On 3/23/2025 at 3:06 AM, Offthemat said:

The only answer is to make stalling a 2 point penalty.  /sarc 

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i like it...

[Scouts Honor]

  On 3/23/2025 at 3:08 AM, Eagle26 said:

I don’t buy it. You’re down one takedown either way. I don’t see an increase in cautious wrestling because of the rule change. This has been a gradual increase because guys are so darn good at counter offense. 
 

This. The stalling part is an unintended consequence for sure, but I don’t think there’s anything to suggest there are fewer TD attempts. I think the 3 pt takedown gives you a better indicator of the more dominant wrestler, but is it worth the trade off of more stalling with a 3 pt lead? Not sure.

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ok, so now i have to go again, and again get countered... now its 5, instead of 3