PSU almost has it locked up

[Wrestleknownothing]

PSU is at 135.5

Nebraska can score 140.

PSU needs one champion and bonus points to lock it up.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Penn State will get 2 champs tomorrow, so they'll win it.

But I can't help but feel disappointed with the quarter and semi performance.

[Frank]

Jesus Jimmy are you back on the psu wagon ? You trolling dork 

 

[jajensen09]

Man psu only 2 champs and nebraska with a shot at 3??? Tides changing 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, jajensen09 said:

Man psu only 2 champs and nebraska with a shot at 3??? Tides changing 

Nebraska is taking over. 

[Hammerlock3]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Penn State will get 2 champs tomorrow, so they'll win it.

But I can't help but feel disappointed with the quarter and semi performance.

Not to mention your boy davis going down!

[Wrestleknownothing]

13 minutes ago, jajensen09 said:

Man psu only 2 champs and nebraska with a shot at 3??? Tides changing 

They both have three finalist. As does Iowa.

[Gus]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

They both have three finalist. As does Iowa.

And OK State

[Wrestleknownothing]

5 minutes ago, Gus said:

And OK State

and them

[jajensen09]

5 minutes ago, Gus said:

And OK State

I know this. Penn state is only favored in 2. 

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

They both have three finalist. As does Iowa.

Yeah, but...if you're a PSU fan, this is probably the worst tournament under Cael...relative to expectations. 

They have such an uncanny knack for winning in the Semis...to watch Van Ness get just dominated in the first, Kasak to get beaten, Haines just had one chance after another as Hamiti shut it down(he really should have just scored and put it away). 

Give credit to Nebraska, Okie State, Iowa...I mean, I don't think anything has fundamentally changed given the talent PSU has that'll be there the next year or 3, especially if Ono is really going to Wrestle(is this confirmed by the way) but I think as much as PSU has been dominant, the top programs are just elevating. It's cool to see. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, jajensen09 said:

I know this. Penn state is only favored in 2. 

You are easily confused. You got lost from the beginning of your sentence to the end. They both "have a shot at three???"

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, but...if you're a PSU fan, this is probably the worst tournament under Cael...relative to expectations. 

They have such an uncanny knack for winning in the Semis...to watch Van Ness get just dominated in the first, Kasak to get beaten, Haines just had one chance after another as Hamiti shut it down(he really should have just scored and put it away). 

Give credit to Nebraska, Okie State, Iowa...I mean, I don't think anything has fundamentally changed given the talent PSU has that'll be there the next year or 3, especially if Ono is really going to Wrestle(is this confirmed by the way) but I think as much as PSU has been dominant, the top programs are just elevating. It's cool to see. 

Nowhere have I not given credit to Nebraska, Oklahoma State, or Iowa. You are barking up the wrong tree.

[MLB9]

9 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah, but...if you're a PSU fan, this is probably the worst tournament under Cael...relative to expectations. 

They have such an uncanny knack for winning in the Semis...to watch Van Ness get just dominated in the first, Kasak to get beaten, Haines just had one chance after another as Hamiti shut it down(he really should have just scored and put it away). 

Give credit to Nebraska, Okie State, Iowa...I mean, I don't think anything has fundamentally changed given the talent PSU has that'll be there the next year or 3, especially if Ono is really going to Wrestle(is this confirmed by the way) but I think as much as PSU has been dominant, the top programs are just elevating. It's cool to see. 

Do you mean as far as individual champions? I haven’t looked at all the matchups yet, but a push to 170 is very possible tomorrow. They have seven guys in the consi-semis and I would think a good number of favorable matchups. Kerk possibly being done hurts that, though. 

But I get it. The last time Iowa won while Penn State ruled Saturday night felt like a victory in a way. The dual elements of individual and team titles fluctuate in seemed importance and pedigree

Edited 17 hours ago by MLB9

[scourge165]

4 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Nowhere have I not given credit to Nebraska, Oklahoma State, or Iowa. You are barking up the wrong tree.

Dude...it's an expression. 

"Give credit to..." doesn't mean YOU specifically are not giving those teams credit, it's just...simply MY way of saying...give those teams credit.

 

You ever watch a Super Bowl, World Series, whatever? The losing team, they say, "give credit to the Eagles, they battled all night, just came up short." Whatever. 

 

Man, people are sensitive(or at least on edge). Why would you think I'm "barking" at you at all?

[scourge165]

1 minute ago, MLB9 said:

Do you mean as far as individual champions? I haven’t looked at all the matchups yet, but a push to 170 is very possible tomorrow. They have seven guys and I would think a good number of favorable matchups. Kerk possibly being done hurts that, though. 
But I get it. The last time Iowa won while Penn State ruled Saturday night felt like a victory in a way. The dual elements of individual and team titles fluctuate in seemed importance and pedigree

Yeah, I meant in terms of the big matches. I guess I haven't been paying attention to the backside. I thought I saw someone say Davis was out and I know Lillendahl beat Rivera...and I suppose it's a good bet SVN, Kasak, Haines, Bartlett all take 3rd. 

But yeah, it's just not the type of performance I expected. That's probably due to Penn State's overall performance. 

[BruceyB]

3 minutes ago, MLB9 said:

Do you mean as far as individual champions? I haven’t looked at all the matchups yet, but a push to 170 is very possible tomorrow. They have seven guys in the consi-semis and I would think a good number of favorable matchups. Kerk possibly being done hurts that, though. 

But I get it. The last time Iowa won while Penn State ruled Saturday night felt like a victory in a way. The dual elements of individual and team titles fluctuate in seemed importance and pedigree

It's performance relative to seed. As @Wrestleknownothing has pointed out many times, PSU has the best performance of any NCAA program relative to their seeds during Cael's tenure. This year, that is not the case. 125, 141, 157, 174, and 285 will place lower than they were seeded, 149, 165, and 184 can still perform to seed, only 133 and 197 have performed above their seed. This was a pretty large underperformance by Penn State using their own performance standards. However, when 9 of your 10 wrestlers are top 4 seeds, and the other is still an 8 seed, you can obviously underperform and still win a national title.

[dragit]

56 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

PSU is at 135.5

Nebraska can score 140.

PSU needs one champion and bonus points to lock it up.

Mesenbrink probably all by himself.   But shouldn't they clear 140 in the morning even if Kerk can't go? 

[MLB9]

Davis is a favorite seed-wise to wrestle for 3rd, which is kinda crazy. Fugitt seems like a different dude lately though, so who knows. Kasak/Shapiro should be interesting, TK looks a little rough though. If they all average a 4th place finish that’s 24.5 more team points with no bonus. I’d guess they’ll finish in the mid 160’s.

If Barr hadn’t won, I’d feel different. I didn’t think he’d even make it through the tournament after his leg issue.

[MLB9]

2 minutes ago, dragit said:

Mesenbrink probably all by himself.   But shouldn't they clear 140 in the morning even if Kerk can't go? 

I would think they’ll clear 140 within the first three or four matches. Lilledahl would seal it if he gets anything more than an MD against Ventresca. That’s very unlikely I know, but a possible outcome.

[Wrestleknownothing]

7 minutes ago, dragit said:

Mesenbrink probably all by himself.   But shouldn't they clear 140 in the morning even if Kerk can't go? 

They certainly can seal it earlier. Their max points are 213, and if they wrestle to seed they will get 171.5.

[MLB9]

10 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

It's performance relative to seed. As @Wrestleknownothing has pointed out many times, PSU has the best performance of any NCAA program relative to their seeds during Cael's tenure. This year, that is not the case. 125, 141, 157, 174, and 285 will place lower than they were seeded, 149, 165, and 184 can still perform to seed, only 133 and 197 have performed above their seed. This was a pretty large underperformance by Penn State using their own performance standards. However, when 9 of your 10 wrestlers are top 4 seeds, and the other is still an 8 seed, you can obviously underperform and still win a national title.

Was the average seed 2.6? That is a high standard and hard to match. If they have no more losses, the average placement would be 2.4. Won’t happen, but they won’t be terribly far off.

Your post this week on regression to the mean this year was spot on, the semifinal success rate couldn’t continue at that clip forever.

[Packard]

12 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

It's performance relative to seed. As @Wrestleknownothing has pointed out many times, PSU has the best performance of any NCAA program relative to their seeds during Cael's tenure. This year, that is not the case. 125, 141, 157, 174, and 285 will place lower than they were seeded, 149, 165, and 184 can still perform to seed, only 133 and 197 have performed above their seed. This was a pretty large underperformance by Penn State using their own performance standards. However, when 9 of your 10 wrestlers are top 4 seeds, and the other is still an 8 seed, you can obviously underperform and still win a national title.

To be fair when six of your guys are seeded to be finalists that doesn’t leave much room for error. It’s a little different then not meeting your seed of 4, 5, or 6

Also, 285 can still meet his seed

[dragit]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

They certainly can seal it earlier. Their max points are 213, and if they wrestle to seed they will get 171.5.

171.5 - what a total and catastrophic collaps.  We need to make amends to the other threads' OPs right quick. 

[BruceyB]

5 minutes ago, Packard said:

To be fair when six of your guys are seeded to be finalists that doesn’t leave much room for error. It’s a little different then not meeting your seed of 4, 5, or 6

Also, 285 can still meet his seed

I agree. The underperformance is only relative to the absurd standard that they themselves have created. It's an underperformance by their standards, not normal standards.