Big 12 Weightgate

[Idaho]

1 minute ago, okokzach said:

Basch didn't "report" anything. He's not a journalist. Neither are the FRL guys. Neither is Mineo. Basch repeated what he saw from the Air Force Twitter account, which was inaccurate . He says this clearly on his show.

What are you really trying to say? This didn't happen? 

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

Because we need weigh ins of some sort, and they have to be at a certain time for them to work and have meaning.

Agree with you to an extent.  If a wrestler shows up to weigh in a few minutes late I'd let him on the scale.  You have the more correct view but I prefer mine. I'd rather give any wrestler the chance to get on the mat if the violation isn't egregious.  Similar to a police officer in certain instances letting a driver off with a warning after pulling them over for speeding.

[okokzach]

Just now, Idaho said:

What are you really trying to say? This didn't happen? 

According to the Big 12 it was a "miscommunication over timing". There was no official disqualification. Everything Dresser is saying is hearsay. He wasn't there and doesn't cite where his information is coming from. Rock Harrison in the broadcast even says that when he arrived, he had a lot of coaches in his ear giving their opinions and what should/shouldn't happen. Some pissed off coaches complaining isn't the end-all. The Big 12 investigated the situation, conferred with the NCAA and then made a decision. 

[ionel]

24 minutes ago, Idaho said:

They were late to skin check and weigh in because they were still cutting....then they were allowed to wrestled. So they were given extra time to make weight while everyone else was in line. Correct? 

Not what I saw reported.  Said Jamison had finished skin check and was sitting on bike waiting for weigh in.  Not sure on Belton.  So again who is you source who said they were late?

[1032004]

29 minutes ago, okokzach said:

Basch didn't "report" anything. He's not a journalist. Neither are the FRL guys. Neither is Mineo. Basch repeated what he saw from the Air Force Twitter account, which was inaccurate . He says this clearly on his show.

I feel like we need to define “inaccurate” here.”  I’m confident Air Force (and maybe Utah Valley in the case of Belton) was told their wrestler was receiving a forfeit.  Was it “official”?  Maybe not, or maybe it was and then it was reversed.

[Hammerlock3]

23 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Agree with you to an extent.  If a wrestler shows up to weigh in a few minutes late I'd let him on the scale.  You have the more correct view but I prefer mine. I'd rather give any wrestler the chance to get on the mat if the violation isn't egregious.  Similar to a police officer in certain instances letting a driver off with a warning after pulling them over for speeding.

we can all get behind a "pulled someone out of a burning car" scenario but I don't see how you let a guy who's late for the weigh in because he didn't weight the proper amount have a pass. 

[okokzach]

1 minute ago, Hammerlock3 said:

we can all get behind a "pulled someone out of a burning car" scenario but I don't see how you let  ̶a̶ ̶g̶u̶y̶ ̶w̶h̶o̶'̶s̶ ̶l̶a̶t̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶w̶e̶i̶g̶h̶ ̶i̶n̶ because he didn't weight the proper amount have a pass. 

He weighed in on time and made weight. 

[PortaJohn]

2 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

we can all get behind a "pulled someone out of a burning car" scenario but I don't see how you let a guy who's late for the weigh in because he didn't weight the proper amount have a pass. 

I wasn't there.  From what's been reported nothing sounds egregious to me.  I'd let them wrestle.  I said you have the more correct view.  

[Scouts Honor]

51 minutes ago, Idaho said:

Dresser also said they were "eliminated and then put back" then later says that they haven't been told anything. He also speaks of the backroom meeting that took place. 

 

i agree, if they weren't told anything... how does he know they were dq and then put backj

[Scouts Honor]

'timing'

are we looking at a jden cox thing here? 

[Tom formerly Tofurky]

3 hours ago, Warm Up Champ said:

Is the jock strap no longer a thing?

I used to coach a young man who went through a lot before I met him. When he came to us, he literally had only a jock strap and would wash it by hand in the sink after each workout. The guys on the team would complain to use constantly. They may have banned them after that year because of him.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

But who said they were given extra time?  

They weren't in the correct location when they were supposed to be.  They know the routine.  They were on exercise bikes instead of the appropriate room.  Extra time.

Then they got extra time to recover before their matches.

Why weren't they with their team and coaches?  Extra time.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

53 minutes ago, ionel said:

Not what I saw reported.  Said Jamison had finished skin check and was sitting on bike waiting for weigh in.  Not sure on Belton.  So again who is you source who said they were late?

Bikes are so comfortable to sit on!

[Idaho]

30 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

i agree, if they weren't told anything... how does he know they were dq and then put backj

 

55 minutes ago, ionel said:

Not what I saw reported.  Said Jamison had finished skin check and was sitting on bike waiting for weigh in.  Not sure on Belton.  So again who is you source who said they were late?

Dresser : "“I’m just disappointed. You know, nobody wants anybody to sit out. But if this was the NCAA Tournament there would have been two or three wrestlers that would not have wrestled,” Dresser said. “Because the NCAA wouldn’t have put up with the hooey that went on this morning.“There’s policies and there’s procedures that you follow. So I hope all those guys learn, because they got a freebie today. Because if they pull that in Philadelphia, they’ll be watching. Just the fact that they were eliminated then they were put back in, I could go on and on.”

Rock Harrison - who says he talked to 5 coaches who were there....

Rock Harrison

@rockreax

Mar 8

Little controversy at @Big12Conference championship. I was informed that two wrestlers were not in line skin check with credentials at 7:45 and still working out. Big 12 head official was speaking with NCAA coordinator of officials to ensure the proper protocol is implemented.

 

Also from Rock Harrison:

Regarding the

@Big12Conference

weigh-in controversy, I was not in the weigh-in area at the time of the issue in question. I did speak with five coaches who were. Below are rules 9.2 15 and 3.22.1.b from the rulebook, and you can draw your conclusion(s).

Edited Thursday at 12:08 AM by Idaho

[okokzach]

14 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

They weren't in the correct location when they were supposed to be.  They know the routine.  They were on exercise bikes instead of the appropriate room.  Extra time.

Then they got extra time to recover before their matches.

Why weren't they with their team and coaches?  Extra time.

They weighted in on time. Not extra time. Their opponents had the exact same time to recover. Not extra time. If anything it was a disadvantage, because their second-round opponent had more time to recover from their first round match.

[ionel]

12 minutes ago, Idaho said:

 

Dresser : "“I’m just disappointed. You know, nobody wants anybody to sit out. But if this was the NCAA Tournament there would have been two or three wrestlers that would not have wrestled,” Dresser said. “Because the NCAA wouldn’t have put up with the hooey that went on this morning.“There’s policies and there’s procedures that you follow. So I hope all those guys learn, because they got a freebie today. Because if they pull that in Philadelphia, they’ll be watching. Just the fact that they were eliminated then they were put back in, I could go on and on.”

Rock Harrison - who says he talked to 5 coaches who were there....

Rock Harrison

@rockreax

Mar 8

Little controversy at @Big12Conference championship. I was informed that two wrestlers were not in line skin check with credentials at 7:45 and still working out. Big 12 head official was speaking with NCAA coordinator of officials to ensure the proper protocol is implemented.

 

Also from Rock Harrison:

Regarding the

@Big12Conference

weigh-in controversy, I was not in the weigh-in area at the time of the issue in question. I did speak with five coaches who were. Below are rules 9.2 15 and 3.22.1.b from the rulebook, and you can draw your conclusion(s).

so none of the above have or provided any direct information suggesting anyone weighed in late

[666]

6 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

FRL talked about it.  There are rules on what kind of underwear you weigh in in.  You can't wear a thong, for example.

You've got to be kidding me. Back in the day it wasn't unusual for a guy to weigh in butt naked. I remember seeing one dude trailing toilet paper on the ground behind him like a tail when stepping on the scales!

Rules on underwear. Jesus. Please tell me the required underwear is this, at least. 

[Idaho]

15 minutes ago, ionel said:

so none of the above have or provided any direct information suggesting anyone weighed in late

I guess if you don't consider talking to 5 coaches who were in the weigh in room as a good source. 

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, Idaho said:

I guess if you don't consider talking to 5 coaches who were in the weigh in room as a good source. 

No names, no statements, its simply hearsay.  

[Idaho]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

No names, no statements, its simply hearsay.  

I would consider a wrestling correspondent that actually talked directly to 5 coaches who were there at weigh ins and Dresser who coaches there to carry more weight than "hearsay" You can believe that everyone is lying if you would like. 

Edited Thursday at 12:48 AM by Idaho

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

30 minutes ago, okokzach said:

They weighted in on time. Not extra time. Their opponents had the exact same time to recover. Not extra time. If anything it was a disadvantage, because their second-round opponent had more time to recover from their first round match.

They had more time to cut weight, because they were not in the correct are on time.  Do we agree?

Their opponents were not given the extra time to cut weight, hence they likely did not need as much recovery time.

What other rules do you suppose we decide to ignore?  These were rules that came into being due to three deaths.  Shouldn't they be the most important?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

No names, no statements, its simply hearsay.  

OK.  What do YOU think happened?

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, Idaho said:

I would consider a wrestling correspondent that actually talked directly to 5 coaches who were there at weigh ins and Dresser who coaches there to carry more weight than "hearsay" You can believe that everyone is lying if you would like. 

All you have is somebody saying they heard someone say something.  There were two wrestlers, who did what when? 

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

They had more time to cut weight, because they were not in the correct are on time.  Do we agree?

No its been reported they were on time just miscommunication.  So who says otherwise? 

[flyingcement]

I was once the subject of a VEWL weight-gate in which I showed up 2 minutes late for the weigh in.  Stepped onto the scale with my boots and winter jacket, still made the weight by over a pound.  All the coaches in VEWL voted on whether or not I could wrestle - it went one vote against me participating.  The weight in question was 48 pounds lol

 

Also as others shave mentioned, by the time you're cutting a lot of weight in middle school, you're usually weighing in naked to save the extra couple ounces.  I was unaware that there was an underwear requirement

Edited Thursday at 12:57 AM by flyingcement