Embarrassing Moment at B1G

[enterdisplayname]

It was during the Walsh v Rogotzke match in the first round of consolations. Rogotzke gets a go behind and on the mat return to secure the takedown he traps Walsh's arm and drops him directly on his head. Match is stopped and immediately Tom Ryan goes insane. Screaming at the kid, the coach, the trainer AND the refs. Calls them soft among other names. On the Big Ten Plus stream its Session 2 mat 1 at about 1 hour and 14 minutes in. 

 

Kudos to coach Goodale and co. While coach Ryan is going ballistic the camera goes straight to Goodale and you can clearly make out him saying "I wouldn't do this to you". 

 

The Ohio State boards are calling for a change in coaching now and saying his actions are embarrassing. What do you guys think?

Edited yesterday at 06:49 PM by enterdisplayname

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Didn't Ryan make a healthy Gallagher forfeit against Mesenbrink to avoid wrestling him?

[okokzach]

https://x.com/CPyles8/status/1899494193145208916/

Also this

Edited 23 hours ago by okokzach

[Warm Up Champ]

Horrible look for Tom Ryan.  That was an egregious slam.  Absolutely zero way someone could argue otherwise.  Tom Ryan needs to issue a public apology for his actions.  Total clown show.

[Dogbone]

As pointed out in another thread, Bouzoukis also ended Van Dee's tournament with a questionable slam.

Not the best weekend for the young bucks but a change in coaching seems like an overreaction.

 

[Mike]

Tom Ryan is a POS

[PortaJohn]

16 minutes ago, enterdisplayname said:

The Ohio State boards are calling for a change in coaching now and saying his actions are embarrassing. What do you guys think?

Saw the video with audio on Mineo's account.  It was low for Tom Ryan but if you've been around at these tournaments let's not pretend like this isn't the norm.  It's a damn prison yard on those mats during these tournaments.  

Edited 23 hours ago by PortaJohn

[CHROMEBIRD]

25 minutes ago, enterdisplayname said:

The Ohio State boards are calling for a change in coaching now and saying his actions are embarrassing. What do you guys think?

Folks on the tOSU boards may be projecting their frustration. I can't remember the last time Tom Ryan had such a rough tournament. Caught everyone by surprise.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Yes, it was an embarrassing moment.

No, he does not need to be replaced.

The decision to not wrestle Gallagher in the first round is a real questionable one, though. It sends a bad message to Gallagher.

[SocraTease]

It is surprising to see this from Ryan, who was in a bad car accident recently that almost took his life:

https://abc6onyourside.com/sports/ohio-state-sports/ohio-state-wrestling-coach-tom-ryan-thankful-to-be-alive-after-significant-car-accident

One of the biggest problems in sports and other areas, I think, is when (blind) loyalty and emotional attachment to one's team (family, community, country) override truth, reason, and facts.  

It's also why some people should never enter journalism, science, or academics (or even referee-ing) which require commitments and obligations to a striving for objectivity (even if complete objectivity is difficult to attain).

[MPhillips]

51 minutes ago, enterdisplayname said:

The Ohio State boards are calling for a change in coaching now

Ohio State boards have been calling for a change since 2020.

This is nothing new. Lots of folks unhappy about Ohio State wrestling, specifically the coaches...

Edited 23 hours ago by MPhillips

[Winners Circle]

32 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Ohio State boards have been calling for a change since 2020.

This is nothing new. Lots of folks unhappy about Ohio State wrestling, specifically the coaches...

Agree with this. I think this was the straw that broke the camel's back. tOSU fans seems to be unhappy with their top-level recruits (which they are getting) under developing and underperforming. Jesse Mendez is the only top level recruit you can point to and say 'He has gotten a lot better there.' 

[The Kid]

1 hour ago, okokzach said:

https://x.com/CPyles8/status/1899494193145208916/

Also this

Nice return.  Is that illegal in folkstyle now? 

[The Kid]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

Agree with this. I think this was the straw that broke the camel's back. tOSU fans seems to be unhappy with their top-level recruits (which they are getting) under developing and underperforming. Jesse Mendez is the only top level recruit you can point to and say 'He has gotten a lot better there.' 

Cannon is pretty good.  

[Winners Circle]

11 minutes ago, The Kid said:

Cannon is pretty good.  

No offense to Cannon, but he was not ever a 'top-level' recruit. 

[PortaJohn]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

No offense to Cannon, but he was not ever a 'top-level' recruit. 

Yes he was

[CGriff]

I don’t agree with Ryan calling the coaches or whoever cowards and all that. But I think he was more upset with the refs giving Ryder the win and then changing it after 5-10 minutes. Even though it was the right call

[enterdisplayname]

7 minutes ago, CGriff said:

I don’t agree with Ryan calling the coaches or whoever cowards and all that. But I think he was more upset with the refs giving Ryder the win and then changing it after 5-10 minutes. Even though it was the right call

He started yelling at them and the refs as soon as the slam was called illegal. He didn't wait until they gave Walsh the win. Matter of fact they gave Rogotzki the win first then came back and reversed it. He was crazy throughout the entire thing. 

[Husker U]

What was said and done was wrong, but Tom Ryan is not losing his job over this.  She he apologize, I definitely think he should.  In the heat of battle, (which does not excuse it) coaches are going to say things and this definitely was one of those bad situations.  

[CGriff]

3 minutes ago, enterdisplayname said:

He started yelling at them and the refs as soon as the slam was called illegal. He didn't wait until they gave Walsh the win. Matter of fact they gave Rogotzki the win first then came back and reversed it. He was crazy throughout the entire thing. 

Yeah I didn’t have the audio on and didn’t see until the end

[BAC]

I just watched it.  Yeah, kinda embarrassing, but I can't get too upset about it.  When they went back to video review, he was just arguing the case for his wrestler that it should've been a TD, not a slam.  I agree it was a slam, but I don't think Ryan was out of line in arguing his wrestler's position to the refs while they reviewed the tape.  That's pretty much his job description.

Yes, saying it was "soft" and a "joke" might've taken it a bit too far, and it sure ticked off Goodale (rightly so).  And Ryan carried on his tantrum for too long after the refs made their decision.  But honestly, I was far more annoyed by Ryan's gutless decision to injury default Gallagher to Mesenbrink, and have Gallagher wrestle the backside. It takes some real chutzpah to do that while whining about Walsh, who MFF'd the next match.

[BAC]

2 hours ago, okokzach said:

https://x.com/CPyles8/status/1899494193145208916/

Also this

Meh.  I can see why this wasn't called a slam.  It started as a suplay but he sort of pivoted at the end. The ref and reply officials all saw it the same way.  If they had just kept on wrestling, no one would be complaining about the non-call.  I wouldn't have been shocked to see it called a slam after the replay, especially since his head appears to make contact first, but it isn't "absolutely inexcusable" to let it go either.

Speaking of CP's histrionics, is it really necessary for him to complain that this is "incredibly dangerous," when this very same move is permitted in freestyle?  And given that women's college wrestling follows freestyle rules, is it helpful or accurate to say that women's wrestling permits "incredibly dangerous" moves? Come on man.  Bouzakis is incredibly powerful, but that's the source of the danger, not his moves.

[Idaho]

44 minutes ago, BAC said:

Speaking of CP's histrionics, is it really necessary for him to complain that this is "incredibly dangerous," when this very same move is permitted in freestyle?  And given that women's college wrestling follows freestyle rules, is it helpful or accurate to say that women's wrestling permits "incredibly dangerous" moves? Come on man.  Bouzakis is incredibly powerful, but that's the source of the danger, not his moves.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I will say that one difference is that wrestlers are wrestling to defend that in freestyle, whereas not really wrestling to defend it in folk. Not being ready to defend that or being in that mindset to defend  can add to it being potentially more dangerous than just a mat return. 

[Kov88]

4 hours ago, enterdisplayname said:

It was during the Walsh v Rogotzke match in the first round of consolations. Rogotzke gets a go behind and on the mat return to secure the takedown he traps Walsh's arm and drops him directly on his head. Match is stopped and immediately Tom Ryan goes insane. Screaming at the kid, the coach, the trainer AND the refs. Calls them soft among other names. On the Big Ten Plus stream its Session 2 mat 1 at about 1 hour and 14 minutes in. 

 

Kudos to coach Goodale and co. While coach Ryan is going ballistic the camera goes straight to Goodale and you can clearly make out him saying "I wouldn't do this to you". 

 

The Ohio State boards are calling for a change in coaching now and saying his actions are embarrassing. What do you guys think?

You just recently created this account just to bash TR?

I think it’s being overblown online. It’s unfortunate the Rutgers wrestler got injured when he landed on his shoulder.

I feel like we’re not getting the whole story from all the clipped videos.

[Spencerlee]

Who is going to come in and do better than Tom Ryan? tOSU is not a blue blood  in this sport.