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[scourge165]

1 hour ago, BruceyB said:

PSU continues to be holier than thou. The naivety to listen to this interview and thing PSU didn't step on any lines.. What do you expect Welsh to do in this interview? Announce that PSU was "illegally" tampering with an athlete that was yet to enter the portal? Barry Bonds never did steroids either.. give me a break. I don't even care if it was tampering. There are no rules at this point, but to act like this interview vindicates any foul practice is just absurd.

Call me Naive, I just don't believe Cael and that staff was reaching out to Welsh and looking at that lineup and syaing, 'we really need help at moving forward at '74 and '84, lets see if we can poach the OSU kid."

It's a move that doesn't make sense. Going after a HWT...that might make sense. Cole Mirasola is the marginally worse Mirasola...I have trouble thinking Connor is going to bump up and Wrestle HWT when he went 195 in HS rather than 220 and challenge his Brother...who has likely been bulking up and I'd guess is looking more like a Luke Davidson type build than Connor who I assume is trying to hold his weight so he can Wrestle 92KG yet. 

 

That said, if you told me PSU boosters who had ties to the HS programs let it be known he would be wanted there...that I could see. 

 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, rsotelo said:

Do you guys really think these kids are making that kind of money?  In wrestling?  You have NCAA champ coaches that make $45k a year and associate head coaches that make $90k - $120k.  Unless you are considering full out of state tuition, room and board, and stipend into the calculation, we do not even get close.  If you are getting a $300k "bag of money" to wrestle ONE season, why are you still driving around in a 10 year old beat up honda civic?

Because you're financially literate and understand if you just invest that money, you're going to be set up for life. I mean, you're going to spend some of that and you're going to pay taxes, so...not quite, but a 20 year old kid putting a 180K into a retirement fund, he'll be worth millions if he does nothing else. Put it in something safe, don't touch most of it and keep driving a 2015 Civic(which...really not that old or a car). 

[NotThatDave]

15 hours ago, RawDog said:

Jordan Williams will be the 149 champ next year.

I’m convinced this is Jordan’s burner account. 

[flyingcement]

6 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Because you're financially literate and understand if you just invest that money, you're going to be set up for life. I mean, you're going to spend some of that and you're going to pay taxes, so...not quite, but a 20 year old kid putting a 180K into a retirement fund, he'll be worth millions if he does nothing else. Put it in something safe, don't touch most of it and keep driving a 2015 Civic(which...really not that old or a car). 

It's interesting because I don't invest in personal luxuries at all - but if you are someone that likes these things, then it makes a huge difference where and how you spend your cash.  

for example - fine watches like Rolex and Tag Heuer can actually appreciate in value in many cases, while in most cases providing a form of capital preservation while also having the benefits of a nice watch.  

but if you see someone in a brand new car, these are notoriously bad investments and a very poor form of capital preservation.  in both cases, you might be able to buy something that allows you to "look cool" - but the impact on your asset management is materially different

[rsotelo]

2 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Because you're financially literate and understand if you just invest that money, you're going to be set up for life. I mean, you're going to spend some of that and you're going to pay taxes, so...not quite, but a 20 year old kid putting a 180K into a retirement fund, he'll be worth millions if he does nothing else. Put it in something safe, don't touch most of it and keep driving a 2015 Civic(which...really not that old or a car). 

I guess I didn't convey my point strongly enough.  I was arguing that NONE of these kids are getting that kind of money that is being thrown out on the internet.  I have the honor of knowing many of these kids and their parents.  I am sure they would love to see the type of money that is 2x , 3x even 4x what they earn per year.  I just don't buy it.  

BUT....

Here is where the math does work out, at least for me on a $300k "bag of money" - a kid gets full out of state tuition, which at some schools is easily $60k/year.  Then housing and meals - housing $15k-$20K/year, meals $6k to $10k/year.  So far that is $90k/year.  Then a local car dealership offers the athlete a high end pick up truck to drive around for the year - loaded Ford Raptor or similar  $112k.  Now we are at just over $200k a year.  Add some stipend in exchange for work or representation, and you can package that as a huge offer, but in reality, these kids don't add much to their pockets.  Don't get me wrong, that is HUGE value they are receiving as athletes, but they are not getting a $300k check to deposit into their bank accounts.

[scourge165]

12 hours ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

Not really. Bailey maybe, but I’m shocked Mizzou even entertained Williams with the off the mat stuff. I’d prefer to ensure we don’t lose Mendoza’s commitment by adding a Bailey.

What has Jordan Williams done off the Mat?

Far as I know, he got drunk twice and one of those two times there was "malicious damage to property." 

It feels like kids are REALLY going over the top on this kid. He's not accused of the same thing a former Okie State Wrestler has been. Just did some stupid kid stuff. 

 

Also, I've seen repeatedly how Sinclair is going '84, but is there any thought to him going 174? I think he's a legitimate contender next year at '74(even with Haines)...I just don't see it at '84 with McNelly, Ferrari, whoever wins the job at PSU(not doing the whole list again). When you see him next to these guys...he's just smaller. He's shorter and I don't want to sound mean here, but he's not real defined. Suffice to say, I think he's got a little...extra weight he could drop, get down to '74 and be a beast. 

 

[scourge165]

16 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Yea I did not take offense, although I didn’t realize you were joking originally about “probably a HWT.”

But in relation to the Mirasola conversation (and I guess the Welsh one), I feel like the only guy (in America I guess) that might be a noticeable upgrade over Mirasola would probably be Trumble.   IMO Feldman is in the same boat as Welsh, maybe a smidge of an upgrade at best.  He’s also had a lot of injuries and contrary to popular belief PSU hasn’t had the best track record of keeping guys healthy.

Oh...yeah, this has gotten SO silly, I was totally being sarcastic.

They just pulled Ono after people wondered if he may Wrestle in College and people were mocked for it and called idiots.

They got Jayden James....an absolute hammer and his Freshmen year, they may have 5 174 pounders who can beat him. Really...Duke, Cunningham, Henkel, Gibson and Lee or...whoever, I don't know. 

 

I can't really speak to how big of an upgrade he'd be. Cole Mirasola has been the less accomplished, but he's also been the one going up. So his Brother has Wrestled at his ideal weights and he hasn't been able to, but still seems like Connor is a bit more talented.

If I saw Cole, I may think otherwise, but it's not even really about him and how he's building up to HWT, so he could be 230 and looking like Anthony Cessar, but I'm not sure he's got the frame of Cessar.

 

Trumble, I love how he Wrestles, I think he's the guy who has the next best chance to be our 97KG rep, but he's only got one more year left. So maybe it's more realistic that they get Trumble and then Ross flips to PSU. I don't know at this point.

 

Penn State Wrestling is when I used to play video games and I did 'build a franchise,' and I had all 99s except for a couple positions and they'd be 88s but young and still winning MVP. It's just a game at this point. 

[pokemonster]

36 minutes ago, rsotelo said:

I guess I didn't convey my point strongly enough.  I was arguing that NONE of these kids are getting that kind of money that is being thrown out on the internet.  I have the honor of knowing many of these kids and their parents.  I am sure they would love to see the type of money that is 2x , 3x even 4x what they earn per year.  I just don't buy it.  

BUT....

Here is where the math does work out, at least for me on a $300k "bag of money" - a kid gets full out of state tuition, which at some schools is easily $60k/year.  Then housing and meals - housing $15k-$20K/year, meals $6k to $10k/year.  So far that is $90k/year.  Then a local car dealership offers the athlete a high end pick up truck to drive around for the year - loaded Ford Raptor or similar  $112k.  Now we are at just over $200k a year.  Add some stipend in exchange for work or representation, and you can package that as a huge offer, but in reality, these kids don't add much to their pockets.  Don't get me wrong, that is HUGE value they are receiving as athletes, but they are not getting a $300k check to deposit into their bank accounts.

So you supposedly know many of these kids and these parents, so why not just share what you hear they're getting instead of beating around the bush. Don't need to name names but cut to the chase already. 

[scourge165]

36 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

It's interesting because I don't invest in personal luxuries at all - but if you are someone that likes these things, then it makes a huge difference where and how you spend your cash.  

for example - fine watches like Rolex and Tag Heuer can actually appreciate in value in many cases, while in most cases providing a form of capital preservation while also having the benefits of a nice watch.  

but if you see someone in a brand new car, these are notoriously bad investments and a very poor form of capital preservation.  in both cases, you might be able to buy something that allows you to "look cool" - but the impact on your asset management is materially different

I love watches...but I've never spend more than...500 on one. I bought one for someone that was expensive, but I don't care much.

As for vehicles, same thing. I think Toyota is the way to go. I don't have a job where I need a big 2500 or 3500, so a Tundra or Tacoma works for me and the re-sale makes all the difference. 5 year Toyota Tacoma is 87.5% and on a Tundra it's 82%, but these new hybrids are supposed to be higher. 

Got a Capstone last year. Was going to buy used, but it was like 10K difference for one two years old and since it was a hybrid, you got a 7500 tax credit and a 3500 rebate...and I just took it in for an oil change and they were asking if I wanted to upgrade(I do not) but it was tempting. The difference trading it in wasn't much. Plus, the warranties are so good on Toyota(I didn't intend for this to become an add). Before that, it was 10+ year old vehicles and I ended up spending too much to maintain them. 

 

I also just don't get excited over a sports car.  

[scourge165]

41 minutes ago, rsotelo said:

I guess I didn't convey my point strongly enough.  I was arguing that NONE of these kids are getting that kind of money that is being thrown out on the internet.  I have the honor of knowing many of these kids and their parents.  I am sure they would love to see the type of money that is 2x , 3x even 4x what they earn per year.  I just don't buy it.  

 

I don't care what YOU buy, I was clearly responding to why someone would be driving a 10-year-old Honda Civic...and it was a hypothetical situation...and I don't know you so...you can convey your point as strongly as you'd like, I'm not sure why you're upset I don't blindly believe you over nearly every other source. 

[Kyle]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

What has Jordan Williams done off the Mat?

Far as I know, he got drunk twice and one of those two times there was "malicious damage to property." 

It feels like kids are REALLY going over the top on this kid. He's not accused of the same thing a former Okie State Wrestler has been. Just did some stupid kid stuff. 

 

Also, I've seen repeatedly how Sinclair is going '84, but is there any thought to him going 174? I think he's a legitimate contender next year at '74(even with Haines)...I just don't see it at '84 with McNelly, Ferrari, whoever wins the job at PSU(not doing the whole list again). When you see him next to these guys...he's just smaller. He's shorter and I don't want to sound mean here, but he's not real defined. Suffice to say, I think he's got a little...extra weight he could drop, get down to '74 and be a beast. 

 

I have nothing to comment on Jordan Williams. 
 

I don’t think Sinclair is too far behind these guys, if at all. His match against Plott was discouraging, but I believe that was his first match at 184. Barr and Sinclair were trading wins and losses just last year, with Barr being a year older and already in the Penn State room. If Sinclair can get down to 74 then that’d be optimal for this next year, but I’d be surprised. Being the number 1 recruit at 195 in high school tells me the guy is strong, whether his body shows it or not. In all reality, I think Angelo and Sinclair look relatively the same size. I think he’d do just fine at 84 but we all know he needs some conditioning/work on his gas tank. I’d be curious to see if Hawks (I doubt it) can get down to 74.

[MizzouFan01]

57 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I have nothing to comment on Jordan Williams. 
 

I don’t think Sinclair is too far behind these guys, if at all. His match against Plott was discouraging, but I believe that was his first match at 184. Barr and Sinclair were trading wins and losses just last year, with Barr being a year older and already in the Penn State room. If Sinclair can get down to 74 then that’d be optimal for this next year, but I’d be surprised. Being the number 1 recruit at 195 in high school tells me the guy is strong, whether his body shows it or not. In all reality, I think Angelo and Sinclair look relatively the same size. I think he’d do just fine at 84 but we all know he needs some conditioning/work on his gas tank. I’d be curious to see if Hawks (I doubt it) can get down to 74.

I would be really surprised if either Hawks or Sinclair got down to 174. Sinclair more so. He’s stated many times he doesn’t like to cut weight. Could he make it, possibly, but it’s probably not in the cards. We have both Dom Bambinelli and Danny Heiser coming in at or around 165-174. Who starts is still up in the air, could be a couple guys in rotation. Hawks at 197 is more seeable than 174. 

[scourge165]

21 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I have nothing to comment on Jordan Williams. 
 

I don’t think Sinclair is too far behind these guys, if at all. His match against Plott was discouraging, but I believe that was his first match at 184. Barr and Sinclair were trading wins and losses just last year, with Barr being a year older and already in the Penn State room. If Sinclair can get down to 74 then that’d be optimal for this next year, but I’d be surprised. Being the number 1 recruit at 195 in high school tells me the guy is strong, whether his body shows it or not. In all reality, I think Angelo and Sinclair look relatively the same size. I think he’d do just fine at 84 but we all know he needs some conditioning/work on his gas tank. I’d be curious to see if Hawks (I doubt it) can get down to 74.

You don't need to comment on his off the mat stuff unless...well, you already did. 

Sinclair was at 195 because he didn't want to cut and...again, he wrestled 220 because he didn't want to Wrestle fellow AWA teammate Connor Mirasola.

He was struggling to hold his weight to got 220.

Being the #1 recruit at 195 in HS should just tell you he wrestled up so AWA guys wouldn't wrestle each other...he beat Connor Mirasola in who's number 1, but it doesn't mean he's got the frame to '84 or '97 vs the best at the NCAA levels. 

And he IS strong...I'm sure. He's far more technical though and we've seen him get just physically overwhelmed vs some larger Wrestlers who he was clearly technically better than. 

I don't think he's "behind" Ferrari, Welsh or most of these guys(he's well behind McEnelly right now). But I would bet money, if he wanted to, he could legally certify for 165. 
Watching him and Charlie Millard, I don't think there's much of a difference in their build. Millard is more cut. Sinclair is thick in the hips and barrel chested, but he's...~5'7, 5'8 tops. 

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I think he's a better Wrestler than O'Toole...and we saw what he did. So I'm just pulling for him to have the most success possible. 

[Boring]

5 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Because you're financially literate and understand if you just invest that money, you're going to be set up for life. I mean, you're going to spend some of that and you're going to pay taxes, so...not quite, but a 20 year old kid putting a 180K into a retirement fund, he'll be worth millions if he does nothing else. Put it in something safe, don't touch most of it and keep driving a 2015 Civic(which...really not that old or a car). 

I had to work for many years to save up $300k, these kids getting that kind of money straight out of HS are getting a giant step up. 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, MizzouFan01 said:

I would be really surprised if either Hawks or Sinclair got down to 174. Sinclair more so. He’s stated many times he doesn’t like to cut weight. Could he make it, possibly, but it’s probably not in the cards. We have both Dom Bambinelli and Danny Heiser coming in at or around 165-174. Who starts is still up in the air, could be a couple guys in rotation. Hawks at 197 is more seeable than 174. 

Yeah, Hawks and Sinclair are...not the same. I wouldn't expect Hawks to go back down. He's quite a bit bigger than Sinclair.

And I haven't seen where Sinclair said he doesn't like to cut weight(I've also never heard a kid say "I like cutting weight."). I do know his coach said he was so bored with HS Wrestling and he just simply hasn't had to cut weight. I think he went from wrestling 92KG(just showing up, no weight cutting) to probably one extra workout and he was at 86KG. That Jay Aiello match should have been reason enough. He was better(IMO) than him, but it's hard to get to someone's legs when they're just that much longer than you.

 

He just moves so smooth, chain wrestling is incredible, hits his shots to both sides so naturally, Hi-C or a duck to both sides. I would imagine he doesn't like to cut. Nobody does(again, I've never actually heard it and I know Askren advocates going up and not cutting until you're older...to that end, he advocates waiting to compete at all until you're older when talking about Youth Wrestling. It's about keeping kids involved in the Wrestling and enjoying it and getting better...so I understand. 

But, it'll be his call. I don't believe he can win at 184 any longer. Not after watching the length and size of Ferrari, McEnelly, Even Welsh, he's a monster '74, but he'll be up at '84. I think O'Toole is...bigger than Sinclair. I hope I'm wrong. 

[scourge165]

1 minute ago, Boring said:

I had to work for many years to save up $300k, these kids getting that kind of money straight out of HS are getting a giant step up. 

Yeah...and if you have 300K at 40, you're still doing great. Aggressive and...before these stupid tariffs, you could count on doubling that every 7 years, 600K at 47, 1.2 at 54, 2.4 at 61, 4.8M at 68...though you're spending it by then. 

I took most everything out of the market as I said I would on here in January(a few days after the inauguration) but...I puti t back in last week. I thought we'd hit the bottom.

That does not appear to be the case, but...oh well!

[Boring]

18 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah...and if you have 300K at 40, you're still doing great. Aggressive and...before these stupid tariffs, you could count on doubling that every 7 years, 600K at 47, 1.2 at 54, 2.4 at 61, 4.8M at 68...though you're spending it by then. 

I took most everything out of the market as I said I would on here in January(a few days after the inauguration) but...I puti t back in last week. I thought we'd hit the bottom.

That does not appear to be the case, but...oh well!

My 401K has dropped about $50k since Trump took over. It isn't over yet, bud. I wouldn't be shocked if the Dow was at 30,000 or less by the end of the year. 

[scourge165]

18 minutes ago, Boring said:

My 401K has dropped about $50k since Trump took over. It isn't over yet, bud. I wouldn't be shocked if the Dow was at 30,000 or less by the end of the year. 

Yeah...I don't even want to say how much I'm down. I was up about 300% the last two years. So I have a risky portfolio. I have time to make it up. My IRA is fine because...you can move in and out without the Capital Gains, but I wanted to keep NVDA, META, AMZN, AVGO and others in my portfolio without selling and eating a lot in taxes. Well...my Tax Bill should be a LOT smaller...unless things change.

 

You literally Smoot-Hawley already create the Great Depression(and it did, it was passed before the market crashed)...

I don't know what we're doing. He signed USMCA...which said no tariffs and it was basically NAFTA, but he said it was the best trade deal ever and...now he's going after them. GDP was growing at 3.2% and now it's on pace to contract to negative growth. 

New car prices set to go up 10-15K and Trump is talking about a 3rd term because, "you wouldn't believe how many people come up to me and say, you have to run again." 

This was...kinda what i figured, but I didn't think he'd blow it up so quickly.  

 

I'm trying to watch a lot of Tom Lee and...I think they call it "Copium." But man, the Economy was SO strong. Last two years, expected GDP growth was like .6 and 1% and real GPDP was 2.8 and 3.2. This year it was projected to be 3.6 which would have set us up for a BANGER of a year and a BOOMING market...but instead, we didn't want that. 

 

I'm hoping Trumps plan to tank the economy works soon enough to get a couple cuts, I guess they get the rate cuts and then if they extend the tax cuts and..I don't know, maybe we'll get a bounce back. Trillions wiped out and it's gonna be a blood bath tomorrow. 

[BarSeries]

Chittum to Ohio State

[nhs67]

8 hours ago, NotThatDave said:

I’m convinced this is Jordan’s burner account. 

Yeah.  He said the same *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* after SVN decked him

 

"He was destroying him before he made one tiny silly little mistake."

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, Boring said:

My 401K has dropped about $50k since Trump took over. It isn't over yet, bud. I wouldn't be shocked if the Dow was at 30,000 or less by the end of the year. 

I gained about $55k the first few days after the election, lost about $100k since.  That is just one line of my portfolio.

[Boring]

1 minute ago, nhs67 said:

I gained about $55k the first few days after the election, lost about $100k since.  That is just one line of my portfolio.

Wait until the real "fun" starts on April 2, the day the fruitcakes are calling "Independence Day". 

 

[RawDog]

10 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I think he's got a shot. He went to SV with Henson this year. Iowa hasn't had a ton of success with transfers and this only furthers the point Askren made, but...what, should they have NOT gone after them? 

I think his best chance would have been at Okie St, but...what's done is done. I think he's got a chance. 

 

He lost to last years champ and the guy who lost this year 1-0 in SV.

But what a stupid premise. If he didn't win it next year, he can't next? Joey Blaze took 2nd after going 0-2, losing to a guy who took an 8th and another who didn't place. 

Chumbley was the 20 seed. Took 4th. 

Taylor was the 8th seed. Won it this year.

Now this is '57, but amazing how those things happened, isn't it? 

 

8 hours ago, scourge165 said:

What has Jordan Williams done off the Mat?

Far as I know, he got drunk twice and one of those two times there was "malicious damage to property." 

It feels like kids are REALLY going over the top on this kid. He's not accused of the same thing a former Okie State Wrestler has been. Just did some stupid kid stuff. 

 

Also, I've seen repeatedly how Sinclair is going '84, but is there any thought to him going 174? I think he's a legitimate contender next year at '74(even with Haines)...I just don't see it at '84 with McNelly, Ferrari, whoever wins the job at PSU(not doing the whole list again). When you see him next to these guys...he's just smaller. He's shorter and I don't want to sound mean here, but he's not real defined. Suffice to say, I think he's got a little...extra weight he could drop, get down to '74 and be a beast. 

 

Perfectly said!

[JimmySpeaks]

11 minutes ago, Boring said:

Wait until the real "fun" starts on April 2, the day the fruitcakes are calling "Independence Day". 

 

The fruitcakes know that a tariff is no different than a corporate tax hike except that it actually brings jobs to Americans instead of forcing them overseas 

[1032004]

8 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Oh...yeah, this has gotten SO silly, I was totally being sarcastic.

They just pulled Ono after people wondered if he may Wrestle in College and people were mocked for it and called idiots.

They got Jayden James....an absolute hammer and his Freshmen year, they may have 5 174 pounders who can beat him. Really...Duke, Cunningham, Henkel, Gibson and Lee or...whoever, I don't know. 

 

I can't really speak to how big of an upgrade he'd be. Cole Mirasola has been the less accomplished, but he's also been the one going up. So his Brother has Wrestled at his ideal weights and he hasn't been able to, but still seems like Connor is a bit more talented.

If I saw Cole, I may think otherwise, but it's not even really about him and how he's building up to HWT, so he could be 230 and looking like Anthony Cessar, but I'm not sure he's got the frame of Cessar.

 

Trumble, I love how he Wrestles, I think he's the guy who has the next best chance to be our 97KG rep, but he's only got one more year left. So maybe it's more realistic that they get Trumble and then Ross flips to PSU. I don't know at this point.

 

Penn State Wrestling is when I used to play video games and I did 'build a franchise,' and I had all 99s except for a couple positions and they'd be 88s but young and still winning MVP. It's just a game at this point. 

If we are to assume Barr is staying at 197, it’s been mentioned that the smaller Mirasola is going to have a tough time getting in the lineup for a few years.  So if there is any chatter about that causing them both to leave, that’s where a guy like Feldman would make sense.