The Free Speech Absolutists Strike again!

[VakAttack]

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5170090-rfk-jr-hhs-public-comment-rulemaking-ends/

 

RFK bans public comment,breaking 50 years of precedent.

[Offthemat]

Come up with something better than “because that’s the way we’ve always done it.”

[VakAttack]

5 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Come up with something better than “because that’s the way we’ve always done it.”

Ok, buddy.  #FreeSpeechAbsolutist

[Le duke]

Come up with something better than “because that’s the way we’ve always done it.”

I thought you guys were all about holding the government accountable to the people?


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[Bigbrog]

And crickets from you yahoos when it was done 100's of times by people from the other side of the isle....

[VakAttack]

6 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

And crickets from you yahoos when it was done 100's of times by people from the other side of the isle....

Because, as has been explained multiple times, the 1st Amendment applies only to government actors, of which RFK is now one.

Private companies can do what they want.  I don't think it's a violation of the 1st Amendment that Elon is a censorious ass, it's just hypocritical given his rhetoric. It's absolutely his right.

[Bigbrog]

6 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Because, as has been explained multiple times, the 1st Amendment applies only to government actors, of which RFK is now one.

Private companies can do what they want.  I don't think it's a violation of the 1st Amendment that Elon is a censorious ass, it's just hypocritical given his rhetoric. It's absolutely his right.

LOL...who is talking about private companies or Elon??  

[1032004]

16 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

And crickets from you yahoos when it was done 100's of times by people from the other side of the isle....

You guys really love your whataboutisms huh

[VakAttack]

15 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

LOL...who is talking about private companies or Elon??  

Because that has been the primary discussion point on this topic.

[Husker_Du]

 

the way i read it, this is more about expediency than it is 'free speech', no?

it seems like 'public input' in this case serves as red tape. i'm also not sure, but could lobbyists contribute to the problem in this scenario?

also, is there another department that includes 'public input' in their process. seems weird in and of itself.

[Scouts Honor]

now do the govt trying to silence rfk

[Scouts Honor]

rich coming from the 'parents at board meetings are nazi terrorists' party

[1032004]

18 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

now do the govt trying to silence rfk

 

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

You guys really love your whataboutisms huh

 

[Scouts Honor]

yes i know, you like govt silencing people when they hold different views than yours 

[1032004]

17 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

yes i know, you like govt silencing people when they hold different views than yours 

The point is that this administration was trying to claim they were different…

[Scouts Honor]

oh they are

they aren't actually silencing anyone

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

oh they are

they aren't actually silencing anyone

Article in the OP disagrees

[Scouts Honor]

no one is being silenced

[Scouts Honor]

Although the APA exempts the requirement for public comment on matters “relating to agency management or personnel or to public property, loans, grants, benefits, or contracts,” there has been a waiver, referred to as the Richardson waiver, on this exemption since 1971, allowing for interested parties to take part in the rulemaking process.

[RockLobster]

6 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

no one is being silenced

Yes, they absolutely are being silenced.

6 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

Although the APA exempts the requirement for public comment on matters “relating to agency management or personnel or to public property, loans, grants, benefits, or contracts,” there has been a waiver, referred to as the Richardson waiver, on this exemption since 1971, allowing for interested parties to take part in the rulemaking process.

Yes, the "Richardson waiver" did allow for people to have their voices heard... 

Until now. That same "Richardson waiver" was killed by RFK. No more public voices - they have been silenced.

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Lawrence O. Gostin, faculty director of O’Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law at the Georgetown University Law Center, said this move by Kennedy was a clear effort to avoid accountability. Gostin said he believes the policy is sure to be litigated, noting that courts have enforced the Richardson waiver in the past.

[1032004]

11 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

Although the APA exempts the requirement for public comment on matters “relating to agency management or personnel or to public property, loans, grants, benefits, or contracts,” there has been a waiver, referred to as the Richardson waiver, on this exemption since 1971, allowing for interested parties to take part in the rulemaking process.

It’s legal, but they’re still being silenced.   Kinda like how it is legal for Facebook and Twitter to silence people.

[Bigbrog]

5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

It’s legal, but they’re still being silenced.   Kinda like how it is legal for Facebook and Twitter to silence people.

What was that whataboutism again???  

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Bigbrog said:

What was that whataboutism again???  

It’s not a whataboutism, I actually addressed the point: it’s legal, but it’s still silencing people.  Several here like bringing up whataboutisms without actually addressing the point raised…like you did earlier

Edited Sunday at 05:06 PM by 1032004

[Scouts Honor]

13 hours ago, RockLobster said:

Yes, they absolutely are being silenced.

Yes, the "Richardson waiver" did allow for people to have their voices heard... 

Until now. That same "Richardson waiver" was killed by RFK. No more public voices - they have been silenced.

so you are saying these same people can't go to their elected reps and have them talk to the dept? 

[Scouts Honor]

8 hours ago, 1032004 said:

It’s legal, but they’re still being silenced.   Kinda like how it is legal for Facebook and Twitter to silence people.

see the above post I made to RL