Any chance Arnold actually wrestles Plott?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

I think Arnold will sit (load management) and Ferrari will get Plott.  Anyone see it differently?

[Winners Circle]

We're gonna find out how important duals are to Brands. If they want to win the dual, then we'll see Ferrari. If they don't care about the dual, we'll see Arnold. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

small chance

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, Winners Circle said:

We're gonna find out how important duals are to Brands. If they want to win the dual, then we'll see Ferrari. If they don't care about the dual, we'll see Arnold. 

I think Arnold doesn't have much to gain from wrestling Plott (I don't think he can beat Plott).  Another loss just drops him further for seeding purposes.

[OH-IO]

18 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I think Arnold will sit (load management) and Ferrari will get Plott.  Anyone see it differently?

good call i believe your right

[Winners Circle]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I think Arnold doesn't have much to gain from wrestling Plott (I don't think he can beat Plott).  Another loss just drops him further for seeding purposes.

A loss to a higher ranked wrestler would not drop him further for seeding purposes. 

[Husker_Du]

i thought the same about Starocci (that he can't beat him). but if you want to put your guy in the best position to beat someone superior, you gotta let him get a couple feels for him.

sitting him, to me, is a sign if no confidence. 

[Truzzcat]

Brands said that Angelo will use all his dates so I would assume he goes here. It's interesting though because I don't think Arnold has a chance to beat Plott I would say Angelo has a small chance. I however do not think Arnold would get Majored I think Angelo potentially could depending on Plotts shot entry and if he scouts out the leg pass stuff.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, Winners Circle said:

A loss to a higher ranked wrestler would not drop him further for seeding purposes. 

You don't think a 3rd loss hurts him for seeding at NCAAs?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, Husker_Du said:

i thought the same about Starocci (that he can't beat him). but if you want to put your guy in the best position to beat someone superior, you gotta let him get a couple feels for him.

sitting him, to me, is a sign if no confidence. 

I mean Arnold is just too small for 184.  I think even Iowa would admit that behind closed doors.

[666]

I think I may buck the trend here. The way I see it Arnold has more to gain from wrestling Plott than to lose. Plott is already the favorite, so if Arnold loses respectably no harm, no foul. Another "L" shouldn't matter if it comes to a top 4 guy like Plott. On the other hand if Arnold beats Plott he gains a good bit I'd think. I've seen guys stifle Plott's offense, and Arnold is a stallmaster type guy. If he can keep it close he might be able to steal a win at the buzzer with a takedown. 

Ferrari wouldn't be a terrible choice provided he doesn't have to burn a redshirt to wrestle Plott. I think he could hold Plott to a decision and possibly even beat him outright. The match could give Ferrari some more experience wrestling a top D1 guy. But I think the possible upside to Arnold's possible seed upgrade at NCAAs is more important than Ferrari getting more experience. Let's face it, he has 4 years ahead of him and he'll probably make the high podium all 4 years. If Arnold is beat up of course Ferrari should start to let him rest up. 

[Winners Circle]

5 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

You don't think a 3rd loss hurts him for seeding at NCAAs?

No. What is the difference between 2 and 3 losses? He's currently an 8-12ish type seed (with losses to 2 guys that are in the 6-8 range) and a third loss to the inevitable 3 seed won't do anything to change that. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Winners Circle

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, 666 said:

I think I may buck the trend here. The way I see it Arnold has more to gain from wrestling Plott than to lose. Plott is already the favorite, so if Arnold loses respectably no harm, no foul. Another "L" shouldn't matter if it comes to a top 4 guy like Plott. On the other hand if Arnold beats Plott he gains a good bit I'd think. I've seen guys stifle Plott's offense, and Arnold is a stallmaster type guy. If he can keep it close he might be able to steal a win at the buzzer with a takedown. 

Ferrari wouldn't be a terrible choice provided he doesn't have to burn a redshirt to wrestle Plott. I think he could hold Plott to a decision and possibly even beat him outright. The match could give Ferrari some more experience wrestling a top D1 guy. But I think the possible upside to Arnold's possible seed upgrade at NCAAs is more important than Ferrari getting more experience. Let's face it, he has 4 years ahead of him and he'll probably make the high podium all 4 years. If Arnold is beat up of course Ferrari should start to let him rest up. 

What if Ferrari beats Plott convincingly?  To me that means the can contend for a title NOW...and perhaps shouldn't shirt this year, even though it is super late in the season.

[Gene Mills Fan]

I think the Brands care about winning duals and we see Ferrari. I think #1 win dual  #2 protect seeds for Big10 tourney.  #3 the dual has priority over load management.  I think they save his RS unless he techs Plott and in no uncertain terms makes his feelings known that he wants to compete this year.  If Angelo is happy Iowa is happy. Angelo is getting these matches because it serves #1 and #2 

[666]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

What if Ferrari beats Plott convincingly?  To me that means the can contend for a title NOW...and perhaps shouldn't shirt this year, even though it is super late in the season.

I don't think it makes much difference. Iowa is way behind PSU anyway, another 10-15 points at 184 isn't going to make the Hawkeyes pass PSU. Plus I think Iowa is already several points better than Ok State will be at NCAAs. So, presuming what you speculated actually happens, what does Iowa gain other than a slightly smaller beating at B1Gs and NCAAs from PSU? Hawkeyes need to preserve their talent, they are going to need it after all the transfers graduate following this season. 

Edited 6 hours ago by 666

[Winners Circle]

Just now, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

What if Ferrari beats Plott convincingly?  To me that means the can contend for a title NOW...and perhaps shouldn't shirt this year, even though it is super late in the season.

The same Dustin Plott who is 0-5 vs Keckeisen by a combined score of 63-23 with the closest loss being 8-3? Beating Plott, even if convincingly does NOT mean Ferrari is ready to contend for a title "NOW". 

[BarSeries]

7 minutes ago, 666 said:

Another "L" shouldn't matter

But Arnold seems incredibly sensitive to taking L's. He seems to want to tip toe to the NCAAs, a al AJ Ferrari. Whereas, Angelo just wants to go out and wrestle everyone.  

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Just now, 666 said:

I don't think it makes much difference. Iowa is way behind PSU anyway, another 10-15 points at 184 isn't going to make the Hawkeyes pass PSU. Plus I think Iowa is already several points better than Ok State will be at NCAAs. So, presuming what you speculated actually happens, what does Iowa gain other than a slightly smaller beating at B1Gs and NCAAs? Hawkeyes need to preserve their talent, they are going to need it after all the transfers graduate following this season. 

From Angelo's point of view if he is ready to win a title this year then why sit?

[666]

For the record I want to see Ferrari wrestle Plott. I just think Arnold has more to gain by wrestling Plott than not wrestling him. 

[666]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

From Angelo's point of view if he is ready to win a title this year then why sit?

If he's ready let him have his chance, provided he's actually the best guy at the weight. But it won't make any difference at NCAAs. Iowa is destined to finish 2nd, Ferrari or no Ferrari. 

[Gene Mills Fan]

2 minutes ago, 666 said:

For the record I want to see Ferrari wrestle Plott. I just think Arnold has more to gain by wrestling Plott than not wrestling him. 

I agree it would benefit Gabe if he could win. It may be dependent on the team score at the time. If  they must have 184 decision to win the dual they send out Angelo.

[SocraTease]

My guess is that Brands has both Ferrari and Arnold weigh in.  Then he waits to see where the dual is when they hit 184.  If the match is virtually wrapped up by then (and it may not be), he considers going with Arnold to better prepare him for NCAAs

[okokzach]

49 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I think Arnold will sit (load management) and Ferrari will get Plott.  Anyone see it differently?

I see it differently. I think Arnold will be sat because his coaches think Ferrari is better 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

maybe the dual should start at 197

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

How would Arnold feel knowing his coaches don't believe he's even the best 184 pounder on the team?  Ego is very important to Arnold, hence all the trash talking of Starocci.