Starocci vs Ruth DQ?

[Silver]

Anybody have details?

[SetonHallPirate]

Stalling!

Stalling, One!

Stalling, One!

Stalling, Two!

Stalling, <Tweet>!

[Silver]

thank you

 

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

He made a yo mama joke during the match. 

[Le duke]

Anybody have details?

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[JeanGuy]

Hard to see a Big Ten Champ take a DQ rather than engaging 

[BruceyB]

53 minutes ago, JeanGuy said:

Hard to see a Big Ten Champ take a DQ rather than engaging 

Meh. Starocci engaged his classic underhook, drive forward, feign knee pick even though it's no where close and earn the stall. He was pushing without really trying to score. Other than not get underhooked, I don't really know what Ruth is supposed to do. He seemed to be giving relative effort to circle, but couldn't out-circle Starocci's pushing. Regardless, it wasn't competitive.

[Wrestleknownothing]

6 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

Meh. Starocci engaged his classic underhook, drive forward, feign knee pick even though it's no where close and earn the stall. He was pushing without really trying to score. Other than not get underhooked, I don't really know what Ruth is supposed to do. He seemed to be giving relative effort to circle, but couldn't out-circle Starocci's pushing. Regardless, it wasn't competitive.

That is a hilariously bad take. Starocci had four takedowns against a guy on rollerskates. What about four takedowns is "without really trying to score"?

What is Ruth supposed to do? Try to score. He was the only one not attempting to score.

[dragit]

DQ'ing a Big Ten champ is pretty impressive, let's give him 5 TFs for it, and with Mesenbrink stymied today, that leaves Starocci only 2 TFs behind.  

[dragit]

53 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That is a hilariously bad take. Starocci had four takedowns against a guy on rollerskates. What about four takedowns is "without really trying to score"?

What is Ruth supposed to do? Try to score. He was the only one not attempting to score.

On the whole I thought Ruth was not engaging and you have to defer to the ref on the mat.  To nit-pick, though, I thought that two of the calls were arguably harsh.  One was on the bottom, this is one I've seen a lot recently, the bottom man is flat, top has a lot of pressure on with a leg basically tied up and is parallel, not really sure what the bottom guy can do in that parallel position.  The other was the second to last stalling, Ruth escaped very near the edge and then wasn't able to circle back to the middle. Not going to cry a river for Ruth, though, he wasn't really wrestling.

[BruceyB]

37 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

That is a hilariously bad take. Starocci had four takedowns against a guy on rollerskates. What about four takedowns is "without really trying to score"?

What is Ruth supposed to do? Try to score. He was the only one not attempting to score.

I was only referring to the final stall call, where Starocci was not  looking to score, but actually looking to stall Ruth out. Starocci knew the match situation and pushed, and took "activity" shots to earn the final stall warning without truly attempting to score. Otherwise, he probably would have scored another takedown like he had shown the ability to do all match. 

However, I disagree that Ruth was on roller-skates, unless you want to agree that Carter made him wear them. He just couldn't handle Starocci's forward pressure, but I felt like he at least attempted to hold some ground, he just was unable. It's hard to look to score when getting pushed backwards and being dominated in the hand fight. When Carter wants to take ground and push, no one has shown an ability to stop him. This is the tactic he used for the majority of the match against Keckeisen, and Keck was pushed around the mat as well. I find it hard to fault Ruth's effort in that last sequence. I didn't say the call was wrong, but I don't know what else Ruth was supposed to do other than have the ability to not cede ground.

 

[1032004]

Gotta give Starocci credit, 15 team points against Ruth, Smith and Allred in particular is impressive.   I believe even this match was 17-4 before the DQ

[PortaJohn]

13 hours ago, dragit said:

One was on the bottom, this is one I've seen a lot recently, the bottom man is flat, top has a lot of pressure on with a leg basically tied up and is parallel, not really sure what the bottom guy can do in that parallel position. 

Has been a problem but much more this year than others.  It's frustrating to watch the bottom wrestler get dinged.  

[666]

3 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Has been a problem but much more this year than others.  It's frustrating to watch the bottom wrestler get dinged.  

That's how it's been as long as I've been around wrestling. I think the refs need to concentrate more on guys not working for turns from top. 

[666]

17 hours ago, Le duke said:

 

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wow, if I was the Iowa AD I'd sue Illinois for stealing Iowa's singlet design! 

[PortaJohn]

3 minutes ago, 666 said:

That's how it's been as long as I've been around wrestling. I think the refs need to concentrate more on guys not working for turns from top. 

100%...If the top wrestler is just hanging out in a parallel ride blow the whistle, call the stalemate, and restart the action.  

[dragit]

11 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

100%...If the top wrestler is just hanging out in a parallel ride blow the whistle, call the stalemate, and restart the action.  

And certainly don't penalize the bottom guy!!  Officiating wrestling is really hard, there are a lot of very tricky ambiguous positions, usually around control.  But this isn't ambiguous, a parallel ride is easy to spot, and it's pretty obvious when the bottom man has no ability or means to build up to a base.