BAC Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Although I think Alirez would probably beat Bartlett, and I slightly favor him over Mendez too, I think Beau should be the new #1. Both unbeaten and Beau has the stronger strength of schedule, and just beat #1. That's my rationale, but the real reason is the same as BruceyB's: I hate the fact that Bartlett and Mendez should have to face off in the semis for a third time just because Alirez never had to wrestle anyone in the top 10.
Le duke Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/16/2025 at 3:09 AM, Caveira said: I assume undefeated alirez gets #1 seed…. If Mendez takes one at bigs. The Algo and all. Alirez won’t have enough matches for an RPI, IIRC.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
ionel Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 2:17 AM, BAC said: ... Alirez never had to wrestle anyone in the top 10. Expand .
ionel Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 2:26 AM, Le duke said: Aliens won’t have enough matches for an RPI, IIRC. Expand Mars or Pluto? .
BAC Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 2:28 AM, ionel said: Expand OK, now do THIS year, not two years ago, since the context is how Alirez should be seeded THIS year. 1
SocraTease Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 1:51 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: I would guess WIN is basing it on 1 championship > 0 championships. I would have Bartlett #1 myself. And Flo drops some time tonight. Expand But Bartlett JUST beat Mendez and it is (and should be) this season's rankings not across seasons. If they hadn't wrestled this season, sure give Mendez the nod because he pulled out a last second win over Bartlett at NCAAs and beat him at Big Tens (even if Bartlett beat him in the dual last year). The only way I can see ranking Mendez informally above Bartlett is if you also consider the All-Star match this year, but that is not supposed to count in official rankings
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 3:27 AM, SocraTease said: But Bartlett JUST beat Mendez and it is (and should be) this season's rankings not across seasons. If they hadn't wrestled this season, sure give Mendez the nod because he pulled out a last second win over Bartlett at NCAAs and beat him at Big Tens (even if Bartlett beat him in the dual last year). The only way I can see ranking Mendez informally above Bartlett is if you also consider the All-Star match this year, but that is not supposed to count in official rankings Expand As I said, I would have Bartlett #1. As for using just this season, you still need to prime this season with previous season results. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Wrestleknownothing Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Bartlett is #1 on Flo, also. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
SocraTease Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:36 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: Bartlett is #1 on Flo, also. Expand I just saw that. Bartlett and Mendez will likely meet again soon at B1Gs, though there are some other potential landmines in their path: Hardy, Vombaur, and Lemley being the top 3 contenders.
Gene Mills Fan Posted February 18 Posted February 18 I'm just hoping Alirez gets Bartlett or Mendez in the semis! I like that better than Jessie vs Bo x9??
CGriff Posted February 18 Posted February 18 Yes. Alirez has ducked top 10 guys and has no great wins
Boring Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 12:52 PM, CGriff said: Yes. Alirez has ducked top 10 guys and has no great wins Expand He hasn't ducked anybody. I just checked his record out. The only elite guy he "ducked" was Cael Happel, and the idea of Alirez ducking Happel is laughable. He wrestled Composto. He wrestled all the decently ranked guys on his schedule, including Ysaguirre, Tagg, and Drury, all of who will probably make NCAAs. Yeah, no premium wins, but he hasn't ducked anybody. He hasn't wrestled in any tournaments this year though so he only has his dual meet record to go on so far. Northern Colorado has a dual schedule filled with teams that generally don't have great 141 pounders this year, that's not Alirez's fault. Alirez will probably win another 5 matches prior to NCAAs, which will make him 16-0. Guys saying he won't have enough matches are cuckoo.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 On FloRadio some were arguing Mendez should still remain #1 despite losing to Bartlett. Mind boggling.
No BS Fan Posted February 18 Posted February 18 I would disagree that he hasn't ducked. NWCA dual tournament he wrestled day 1 but didn't wrestle day 2. Was it a weight issue, was it a duck issue or was it load management? To many it looks like a duck. UNI & Iowa State had most of their team at Soldier Solute. Where where their starters for that?
Husker_Du Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/17/2025 at 3:52 PM, 666 said: Kinda sorta, but if the #1 seed is legit he should win regardless of the other seeds. Expand uh, wut now? TBD
Boring Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 3:20 PM, Husker_Du said: uh, wut now? Expand What that means is if a guy is the best at his weight, a legitimate #1 seed, that he's going to win anyway regardless of who he faces in the bracket.
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted February 18 Author Posted February 18 Intermat has: 1. Bartlett 2. Mendez 3. Alirez (despite Alirez being undefeated)
1032004 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 1:58 PM, 666 said: He hasn't ducked anybody. I just checked his record out. The only elite guy he "ducked" was Cael Happel, and the idea of Alirez ducking Happel is laughable. He wrestled Composto. He wrestled all the decently ranked guys on his schedule, including Ysaguirre, Tagg, and Drury, all of who will probably make NCAAs. Yeah, no premium wins, but he hasn't ducked anybody. He hasn't wrestled in any tournaments this year though so he only has his dual meet record to go on so far. Northern Colorado has a dual schedule filled with teams that generally don't have great 141 pounders this year, that's not Alirez's fault. Alirez will probably win another 5 matches prior to NCAAs, which will make him 16-0. Guys saying he won't have enough matches are cuckoo. Expand Why is it laughable to say he (well, Nickerson) ducked Happel? One of the tournaments he didn’t wrestle in was won by Vombaur.
Boring Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:27 PM, 1032004 said: Why is it laughable to say he (well, Nickerson) ducked Happel? One of the tournaments he didn’t wrestle in was won by Vombaur. Expand Because Alirez is a lot better than Happel.
1032004 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:33 PM, 666 said: Because Alirez is a lot better than Happel. Expand I don’t know if we know that. Looks like they haven’t wrestled since 2022
Boring Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:39 PM, 1032004 said: I don’t know if we know that. Looks like they haven’t wrestled since 2022 Expand I'll sig bet you right now that if Alirez wrestles Happel that Alirez wins.
1032004 Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:42 PM, 666 said: I'll sig bet you right now that if Alirez wrestles Happel that Alirez wins. Expand I’ll bet you that he won’t tech fall him. Which is what someone “a lot better” would do.
Boring Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:46 PM, 1032004 said: I’ll bet you that he won’t tech fall him. Which is what someone “a lot better” would do. Expand I've seen guys who won 2-0 who were a lot better than their opponents.
Boring Posted February 18 Posted February 18 On 2/18/2025 at 4:56 PM, No BS Fan said: How does B12 seed 141? Expand 1. Alirez 2. Happel 3. Jamison 4. Frost
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