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Should NCAAs have 16 or 33 seeds?

BruceyB

By BruceyB
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Seeding accuracy or more excitement?  

36 members have voted

  1. 1. Would you rather stick to the current system off seeding all 33 wrestlers, or go back to seeding only the top 16?

    • Seed all 33
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    • Seed top 16
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BruceyB NCAA Qualifier

BruceyB

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Look here to see the handiwork of our very own @Wrestleknownothing in greater detail.

His post and the recent discussion of allocations led me to wonder what you all prefer.

1. The accuracy of seeding all 33 wrestlers and having more consistent results

2. The excitement of seeding only the top 16 and seeing where the other wrestlers fall into the bracket causing more variability in early round matchups and potential for bracket-busters.

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Mr. PeanutButter NCAA Champion

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seeding out to 33 I think is a good idea, even if it comes with a bit of a headache. Selfishly, I wish they would abolish seeds and do random draw. Maybe, like, every 3rd tournament? Or maybe just 1-2 weights? I just want to see a little bit more pizzazz and watch people's heads explode over the incredulity of it all 

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9 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

seeding out to 33 I think is a good idea, even if it comes with a bit of a headache. Selfishly, I wish they would abolish seeds and do random draw. Maybe, like, every 3rd tournament? Or maybe just 1-2 weights? I just want to see a little bit more pizzazz and watch people's heads explode over the incredulity of it all 

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ionel Big Brain

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3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

@gimpeltf do you know what the rationale was for 33?

Someone too many concussions didn't realize 33 not divisible by 4 ... mathy hard. 

 

Actually think they were trying to follow stupid basketball ... 32 just wasn't fair.  

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ionel Big Brain

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31 minutes ago, Mr. PeanutButter said:

seeding out to 33 I think is a good idea, even if it comes with a bit of a headache. 

Folks do realize they don't have to seed that last guy (33rd) makes it easier don't ya think?  😉

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2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

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... but Mr. Bumble sez:

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D3

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gimpeltf NCAA All-American

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4 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

@gimpeltf do you know what the rationale was for 33?

That's just what it was on average when you eliminated D2/3. I assume keeping it there was just not to reduce opportunities.

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I prefer to have strong opinions about things I know little about, but I do not have an opinion on this yet.  Interested in the opinions of others and reasons they offer.  I will say it is probably more important to have accurate seeding of the top 8 than if you stop at 16.   So I am not completely without related opinions.

BruceyB NCAA Qualifier

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Much to @Wrestleknownothing's dismay, I am in favor of seeding only the top 16. I completely understand the argument for seeding all entries. But to create the best product, seeding 16 makes more sense. What are the most exciting results at NCAAs? Upsets, fairytale runs, the unpredictable. With 33 seeds, the tournament is essentially "wake me up for the quarters" because there are such few matches where you could see an upset happening. As WKN's data shows, the difference in how much the top 8 seeds are effected is pretty negligible, so essentially you have more exciting matchups where you think an upset could happen, without them occurring much more frequently.

In a sentence, seeding 16 creates more interesting early round match-ups without actually really changing the results.

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Husker_Du Big Brain

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haha. i like the comparison to socialism.

however, there's a problem there. seeds are subjective and prone to manipulation.

how 'bout this....

a template based on conference placings. 

ultimate get-what-you-earn, know-your-destiny format

TBD

ionel Big Brain

ionel

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38 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

We have a bunch of socialists in this thread. What happened to the wrestlers' belief that you get what you earn?

 

23 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

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... did you earn more?  🤨

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BruceyB NCAA Qualifier

BruceyB

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2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

We have a bunch of socialists in this thread. What happened to the wrestlers' belief that you get what you earn?

Being unseeded is like life circumstances. Some are born into a 17 seed, some are born a 33. You must overcome your circumstances and all odds to fulfill the All-American dream!

Wrestleknownothing Big Brain

Wrestleknownothing

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3 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

haha. i like the comparison to socialism.

however, there's a problem there. seeds are subjective and prone to manipulation.

how 'bout this....

a template based on conference placings. 

ultimate get-what-you-earn, know-your-destiny format

Details?

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