Which teams have benefited most from the transfer portal?

[bnwtwg]

As a prominent NIL donor, I would like to know what the transfer magic number is. As part of forming my hypothesis I need to know the following data points:

• The average gain/deficit my team loses on a year by year basis and aggregate annual basis
  • Year by Year basis
  • Aggregate basis
  • Trendlines
• The same data points of my comp competitors as point 1.0
• The largest single season gain of any team
  • Gross
  • Net
• The largest single season loss of any team
  • Gross
  • Net
• My trendline against points 3.0 and 4.0

This data should be presented as the following:

• 2018 to present to account for the Transfer Portal period; this should utilize the 2017 season as YOY year zero
• 2021 to present to account for the NIL period
• 2018 to 2021 to account for pre-NIL and post-NIL trends

Additional useful reference data points:

• Grad transfers
• 6th year (medical/covid/oly/other) transfers
• 7th year (medical/covid/oly/other) transfers
• Ivy transfers as an additional breakout to review potential trends of points 1 through 3

 

Problem statement: As a slumlord based in Iowa City I need to satiate my renters/NIL contributors banging on my door asking why buying AJ again isn't the answer so I would like to know why I am spending so much on my NIL and yet only seeing marginal, if any, net gains versus simply spending internally to develop my existing recruited talent.

[bnwtwg]

12 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

@1032004 is a big kid.

i swear to god if he weighs half an ounce over 197 i'm going to have an aneurysm

 

//willie starts shoving milkshakes down @1032004's gullet to make it happen

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, bnwtwg said:

As a prominent NIL donor, I would like to know what the transfer magic number is. As part of forming my hypothesis I need to know the following data points:

• The average gain/deficit my team loses on a year by year basis and aggregate annual basis
  • Year by Year basis
  • Aggregate basis
  • Trendlines
• The same data points of my comp competitors as point 1.0
• The largest single season gain of any team
  • Gross
  • Net
• The largest single season loss of any team
  • Gross
  • Net
• My trendline against points 3.0 and 4.0

This data should be presented as the following:

• 2018 to present to account for the Transfer Portal period; this should utilize the 2017 season as YOY year zero
• 2021 to present to account for the NIL period
• 2018 to 2021 to account for pre-NIL and post-NIL trends

Additional useful reference data points:

• Grad transfers
• 6th year (medical/covid/oly/other) transfers
• 7th year (medical/covid/oly/other) transfers
• Ivy transfers as an additional breakout to review potential trends of points 1 through 3

 

Problem statement: As a slumlord based in Iowa City I need to satiate my renters/NIL contributors banging on my door asking why buying AJ again isn't the answer so I would like to know why I am spending so much on my NIL and yet only seeing marginal, if any, net gains versus simply spending internally to develop my existing recruited talent.

As a prominent NIL recipient, I would be happy to quote you my price.

[bnwtwg]

2 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

As a prominent NIL recipient, I would be happy to quote you my price.

I said it is a massive lift!

[Caveira]

6 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

As a prominent NIL donor

I suspect.  Real prominent NIL donors do this work:math on their own.   
 

I also suspect they do it to increase the revenue in their respective business.   

Edited Friday at 09:45 PM by Caveira

[Wrestleknownothing]

I have a correction to the description of the table. It is wrestler years, not distinct wrestlers. So Kerkvliet counts for 4 wrestler years of the 9 total gained by PSU, for example.

[1032004]

26 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

I already did the returning points that shows you the effect of this year's transfers on the schools losing wrestlers. We wont know the impact for those gaining the wrestlers until mid March. So there is no sense including this year with past years due to the incomplete data for this year.

Okay I thought OP may have been asking for how he thought it would shake out this year but wasn’t sure.

I like this version too though.  To add some more wrestlers:

Stevo Poulin and Anthony Noto - transferred after redshirting, both at NC State

Matt Ramos - did not qualify at prior school

Anthony Echemendia - did not qualify at prior school

Quinn Kinner - did not qualify at first school

Dan Fongaro - did not qualify at first school

Reece Heller - did not qualify at first school (although his brother Holden did)

Cleveland Benton - did not qualify at first school (and has since transferred again)

Seth Nevills - did not qualify at first school

How are you counting multiple time transfers?  Does the first school get “points out” for all years after and the second school gets points out for only the years after they leave that school?  Tying in both that and your question, is Brody Teske being counted as points out for Penn State since he did not qualify there?  Wyatt Henson would be another that redshirted at one school then transferred to 2 more

[bnwtwg]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

I suspect.  Real prominent NIL donors do this work:math on their own.   
 

I also suspect they do it to increase the revenue in their respective business.   

No way they definitely don't do it on their own, they underpay and overwork their analysts then take all the credit smh it's like you've never Corporate America'd before

[Wrestleknownothing]

12 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Okay I thought OP may have been asking for how he thought it would shake out this year but wasn’t sure.

I like this version too though.  To add some more wrestlers:

Stevo Poulin and Anthony Noto - transferred after redshirting, both at NC State

Matt Ramos - did not qualify at prior school

Anthony Echemendia - did not qualify at prior school

Quinn Kinner - did not qualify at first school

Dan Fongaro - did not qualify at first school

Reece Heller - did not qualify at first school (although his brother Holden did)

Cleveland Benton - did not qualify at first school (and has since transferred again)

Seth Nevills - did not qualify at first school

How are you counting multiple time transfers?  Does the first school get “points out” for all years after and the second school gets points out for only the years after they leave that school?  Tying in both that and your question, is Brody Teske being counted as points out for Penn State since he did not qualify there?  Wyatt Henson would be another that redshirted at one school then transferred to 2 more

Thanks for the list.

Teske is:

• two wrestler years out, but no points out for PSU,
• then two wrestler years in with 5.5 points at Northern Iowa, 
• then wrestler out, with 1.5 points out at Northern Iowa (his last year total
• then two wrestler years in, with 4.5 points in for Iowa

Edited Friday at 09:59 PM by Wrestleknownothing

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

No way they definitely don't do it on their own, they underpay and overwork their analysts then take all the credit smh it's like you've never Corporate America'd before

Wealthy donors don’t think on their own.  Lol.   Also I’ve only done corporate America in my adult life.  With that said…. A lot of low level lazy lethargic corporate Americans surely can’t think but a lot of successful folks I know do in fact think on their own.  If you don’t know any successful corporate Americans that think on their own you probably associate with the wrong crowd.  Just like high end athletes.  You’ll find lazy ones there too…. you’ll also find super successful ones.  

[bnwtwg]

2 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Wealthy donors don’t think on their own.  Lol.   Also I’ve only done corporate America in my adult life.  With that said…. A lot of low level lazy lethargic corporate Americans surely can’t think but a lot of successful folks I know do in fact think on their own.  If you don’t know any successful corporate Americans that think on their own you probably associate with the wrong crowd.  Just like high end athletes.  You’ll find lazy ones there too…. you’ll also find super successful ones.  

Come to the F100 side where you will meet some of the laziest, most successful folks in your life. It is beyond mystifying (and ridiculously enraging).

[1032004]

Jason Kraisser - did not qualify at first school (since transferred again)

Stevan Micic - transferred after redshirting (although his transfer was pre-portal)

Kanen Storr - did not qualify at first school 

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Come to the F100 side where you will meet some of the laziest, most successful folks in your life. It is beyond mystifying (and ridiculously enraging).

I’ve worked as high as approx the fortune 40.   I also now solely sell to the f100/200.  I’ve seen it all brother.    For my first 15/20 years in IT I’ve only known the fortune 100.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Jason Kraisser - did not qualify at first school (since transferred again)

Stevan Micic - transferred after redshirting (although his transfer was pre-portal)

Kanen Storr - did not qualify at first school 

How did I miss the 8 year man?

[Gus]

1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

This is the list of wrestlers from 2014 - 2024 who have NCAA qualified for more than one school (plus Kerkvliet, Mesenbrink, Spratley, and Jamison) aggregated by school with the points they took with they when they left, and the points they scored after they arrived. For the three three timers their points at school two go into the in and out column.

• Stanford has paid the heaviest price, losing 12 wrestlers and 90.5 points without gaining any wrestlers.
• Northwestern is not far behind with -8 and -64.5.
• On the flip side are the usual suspects, Iowa has brought in 10 wrestlers who have scored +116.5 points for them while losing 0 NCAA tournament qualifying wrestlers. Both those numbers will change significantly this year with all the ins and outs.
• Speaking of a school that will see significant changes, Arizona State has been a big beneficiary of the transfer portal, right up until they were not. They have gained +74 net points and 6 wrestlers.
• Penn State is number 2 on the gains list with one wrestler, Greg Kerkvliet contributing 69 of their net +96.5 points gained.
• Michigan is number 3 with 7 gained and 1 lost for +74.5 net points gained.

Who are the guys that transferred into ASU? For some reason I cannot think of anyone other than Tsirtis. 

[flyingcement]

3 minutes ago, Gus said:

Who are the guys that transferred into ASU? For some reason I cannot think of anyone other than Tsirtis. 

Parco (before he left for Iowa), Michael McGee come to mind.  Both had to leave from program closure.  

+ Bubba Jenkins

Edited Friday at 10:27 PM by flyingcement

[Gus]

22 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Parco (before he left for Iowa), Michael McGee come to mind.  Both had to leave from program closure.  

+ Bubba Jenkins

Those are some hammers (2 that came in due to program closures).

[nhs67]

4 hours ago, 666 said:

No, I totally brainfarted and penciled MM in as NC. 

It's not really that bold, honestly.

He is as much a lock as anybody, imho.

[bnwtwg]

23 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Parco (before he left for Iowa), Michael McGee come to mind.  Both had to leave from program closure.  

+ Bubba Jenkins

Bubba was wayyyy before the portal 

[Wrestleknownothing]

26 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Parco (before he left for Iowa), Michael McGee come to mind.  Both had to leave from program closure.  

+ Bubba Jenkins

Correct Parco and McGee for three years each. And Ryan Millhof for one year (only qualified for the tournament one year of three years at ASU).

Cory Crooks left ASU for Oregon State. Bubba Jenkins was too early to make the list.

Edited Friday at 10:54 PM by Wrestleknownothing

[Gantry]

Bryce Meredith wrestled a year at NC State before transferring to Wyoming, should help the Cowboys greatly with "points in"