Minnesota vs Michigan

[Gage]

My Predictions:

 

125 - Flynn dec Tanefeu - 3-0 MINN

133 - Wells MD Wertanen - 7-0 MINN

141 - VomBaur dec Lemley - 10-0 MINN

149 - Roberts dec Gilcher - 13-0 MINN

157 - Saldate dec Askey - 13-3 MINN

165 - Sparks dec Mantanona - 16-3 MINN

174 - Whiting dec Walker - 19-3 MINN

184 - McEnelly MD Bullock - 23-3 MINN

197 - Cardenas dec Salazar - 23-6 MINN

HWT - Steveson TF Heindselman - 28-6 MINN

 

 

Edited January 19 by Gage

[MlCHIGANMADE]

Lemely lost a tough one four to two let up a take down in the third

[MlCHIGANMADE]

Gilcher gets a big win against the number 19 opponent 11 to 3

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[MlCHIGANMADE]

Mantanona schools #9 Spsrks 

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[Sheerstress]

Some nice wins so far by some of the younger guys, but there are too many soft spots in our lineup against one of the better teams.

[Gantry]

Cardenas hits that same double and turn in every match, it's pretty impressive people know it's coming but can't stop either. 

[MNRodent]

#7 Minnesota 25, #21 Michigan 10
Jan. 19, 2025 | Minneapolis | Maturi Pavilion | Attendance: 4,887

125 #5 Cooper Flynn dec. Wilfried Tanefeu (MICH), 5-2 | MINN 3, MICH 0
133 #18 Tyler Wells MD Noah Wertanen (MICH), 12-3  | MINN 7, MICH 0
141 #8 Vance VomBaur dec. #11 Sergio Lemley (MICH), 4-2 | MINN 10, MICH 0
149 Dylan Gilcher (MICH) MD #19 Drew Roberts, 11-3 | MINN 10, MICH 4
157 #9 Tommy Askey dec. Cameron Catrabone (MICH), 4-1 |  MINN 13, MICH 4
165 #21 Beau Mantanona (MICH) dec. #9 Andrew Sparks, 7-4 | MINN 13, MICH 7
174 #24 Clayton Whiting dec. #28 Joseph Walker (MICH), 6-3 | MINN 16, MICH 7
184 #4 Max McEnelly dec. #20 Jaden Bullock (MICH), 4-1 SV1 | MINN 19, MICH 7
197 #3 Jacob Cardenas (MICH) dec. #9 Isaiah Salazar, 8-3 | MINN 19, MICH 10
285 #1 Gable Steveson fall #10 Josh Heindselman (MICH), 1:46 | MINN 25, MICH 10

[BruceyB]

  On 1/19/2025 at 10:27 PM, MNRodent said:

#7 Minnesota 25, #21 Michigan 10
Jan. 19, 2025 | Minneapolis | Maturi Pavilion | Attendance: 4,887

125 #5 Cooper Flynn dec. Wilfried Tanefeu (MICH), 5-2 | MINN 3, MICH 0
133 #18 Tyler Wells MD Noah Wertanen (MICH), 12-3  | MINN 7, MICH 0
141 #8 Vance VomBaur dec. #11 Sergio Lemley (MICH), 4-2 | MINN 10, MICH 0
149 Dylan Gilcher (MICH) MD #19 Drew Roberts, 11-3 | MINN 10, MICH 4
157 #9 Tommy Askey dec. Cameron Catrabone (MICH), 4-1 |  MINN 13, MICH 4
165 #21 Beau Mantanona (MICH) dec. #9 Andrew Sparks, 7-4 | MINN 13, MICH 7
174 #24 Clayton Whiting dec. #28 Joseph Walker (MICH), 6-3 | MINN 16, MICH 7
184 #4 Max McEnelly dec. #20 Jaden Bullock (MICH), 4-1 SV1 | MINN 19, MICH 7
197 #3 Jacob Cardenas (MICH) dec. #9 Isaiah Salazar, 8-3 | MINN 19, MICH 10
285 #1 Gable Steveson fall #10 Josh Heindselman (MICH), 1:46 | MINN 25, MICH 10

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Some promising results from BeauMan and Gilcher. 

[MNRodent]

 

[Lleynor]

Steveson’s domination just doesn’t get me pumped really. Him getting a Redshirt while in the WWE is garbage. 

[MNRodent]

  On 1/20/2025 at 12:04 AM, Lleynor said:

Steveson’s domination just doesn’t get me pumped really. Him getting a Redshirt while in the WWE is garbage. 

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There are a bunch of guys still wrestling in the NCAA from the same high school class as him.  Are you upset about all of them too?

[BruceyB]

  On 1/20/2025 at 12:43 AM, MNRodent said:

There are a bunch of guys still wrestling in the NCAA from the same high school class as him.  Are you upset about all of them too?

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A bunch? The only wrestlers from the class of 2018 still wrestling in college are in their seventh year thanks to two redshirts and the covid-year. If the rules allow it, sobeit, but I think guys wrestling in college for a span of seven years is a little preposterous. 

And even more preposterous is granting an Olympic Redshirt to a healthy athlete who didn't even attempt to make the team.

I know you're a fan, but you have to understand that it's a little ridiculous, though not against the rules apparently.

Edit: Not too often you see the big boy cradle.

Edited January 20 by BruceyB

[PortaJohn]

  On 1/20/2025 at 12:43 AM, MNRodent said:

There are a bunch of guys still wrestling in the NCAA from the same high school class as him.  Are you upset about all of them too?

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  On 1/20/2025 at 1:23 AM, BruceyB said:

A bunch? The only wrestlers from the class of 2018 still wrestling in college are in their seventh year thanks to two redshirts and the covid-year. If the rules allow it, sobeit, but I think guys wrestling in college for a span of seven years is a little preposterous. 

And even more preposterous is granting an Olympic Redshirt to a healthy athlete who didn't even attempt to make the team.

I know you're a fan, but you have to understand that it's a little ridiculous, though not against the rules apparently.

Edit: Not too often you see the big boy cradle.

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I think Teemer, Michael Beard, & Steveson are the only 7th year wrestlers ranked in the top 10 for their weights.  There are a bunch of 6th year wrestlers.  I think most of us are looking forward to the covid era coming to an end

[BruceyB]

  On 1/20/2025 at 2:34 AM, PortaJohn said:

I think most of us are looking forward to the covid era coming to an end

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I know I am. Luckily this will be the first mass exodus of covid-year wrestlers. There will still be a good number, but a lot of guys will be clearing out. 

The number one wrestler at 125, 141, 157, 174, 184, 197, and 285 will all be done, if I'm not mistaken, to list a few.

[MNRodent]

Nelson Brands, Jacori Teemer, Gable Steveson, Sammy Sasso, Brock Hardy (just a Jr.), Michael Beard, Gavin Hoffman, Seth Nevills, Jakob Comacho, all graduated in 2018 and are still competing in college.

As far as Olympic redshirt, someone like Gable who actually won an Olympic gold medal and won the '23 national FS world team trials certainly deserves one more than Ferarri, a 23-year-old sophomore who didn't wrestle freestyle at all last cycle.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 1/20/2025 at 3:26 AM, MNRodent said:

Nelson Brands, Jacori Teemer, Gable Steveson, Sammy Sasso, Brock Hardy (just a Jr.), Michael Beard, Gavin Hoffman, Seth Nevills, Jakob Comacho, all graduated in 2018 and are still competing in college.

As far as Olympic redshirt, someone like Gable who actually won an Olympic gold medal and won the '23 national FS world team trials certainly deserves one more than Ferarri, a 23-year-old sophomore who didn't wrestle freestyle at all last cycle.

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It is possible to deserve it more while still not deserving it at all. The ORS should not be a lifetime achievement award.

I, too, am in the camp that does not care for the Olympic redshirt for someone who did not attempt to qualify for the Olympics. There should be a trials attendance requirement with an appeals process to allow for injured athletes.

That said, nothing will change because the NCAA has lost interest in applying existing eligibility rules, nevermind creating new ones, due to their losing streak in court.

[nhs67]

  On 1/20/2025 at 12:52 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

It is possible to deserve it more while still not deserving it at all. The ORS should not be a lifetime achievement award.

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To sort of prove your point, 100*0=0, just like 5*0=0.  Not deserving is simply just not deserving.

  On 1/20/2025 at 1:23 AM, BruceyB said:

A bunch? The only wrestlers from the class of 2018 still wrestling in college are in their seventh year thanks to two redshirts and the covid-year. If the rules allow it, sobeit, but I think guys wrestling in college for a span of seven years is a little preposterous. 

And even more preposterous is granting an Olympic Redshirt to a healthy athlete who didn't even attempt to make the team.

I know you're a fan, but you have to understand that it's a little ridiculous, though not against the rules apparently.

Edit: Not too often you see the big boy cradle.

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From someone who is definitely not a fan of him as a person, I am pumped to see him because he is the best wrestler on the planet this millennium and our overall product of wrestling, regardless of styles, is better when he is wrestling.

His shtick may be annoying, but to deny that the talent, ability, and performances aren't up to snuff is a personal thing for you as well as anyone else who is 'Meh' about it.  The mfckr is the best in the highest weight class (weight classes exist for a reason).

As an aside, and not just a direct response to you but to anybody who things they deserve to have an opinion:  The only people who deserve an opinion on ORS are those who have earned it and those who are making the legislation/rules about it.  Otherwise, it's whinging by definition.  It could easily be argued that he is in the same class of 2019, because he did, in fact, earn the ORS.  That means for every class of 2019 graduate who did not, he deserves the same eligibility.

[ionel]

  On 1/20/2025 at 2:08 PM, nhs67 said:

To sort of prove your point, 100*0=0, just like 5*0=0.  Not deserving is simply just not deserving.

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I don't always come here for mathematical proofs

But when I do

I search the @nhs67 posts

Stay arithmetic my friend.

[nhs67]

  On 1/20/2025 at 3:25 PM, ionel said:

I don't always come here for mathematical proofs

But when I do

I search the @nhs67 posts

Stay arithmetic my friend.

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Why you trying to jinx my irregular heart beat, my man?

[Greenwave]

Michigan will be in portal buying the gap wrestlers.

[BruceyB]

  On 1/20/2025 at 2:08 PM, nhs67 said:

His shtick may be annoying, but to deny that the talent, ability, and performances aren't up to snuff is a personal thing for you as well as anyone else who is 'Meh' about it.

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Where did anyone say a word about doubting how great of a wrestler Gable is? That's not even part of the discussion.

 

  On 1/20/2025 at 2:08 PM, nhs67 said:

It could easily be argued that he is in the same class of 2019, because he did, in fact, earn the ORS.

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What? He earned an Olympic redshirt so now we're going to pretend like he didn't compete in college in 2019? I'm sorry but that makes no sense. 

You're just ignoring the fact that it's ridiculous to grant an Olympic redshirt, where the entire purpose is to allow an athlete to take a year off in pursuit of their Olympic goals, to an athlete who is not even participating in the sport. There is a difference between qualifying for an Olympic redshirt and deserving an Olympic redshirt. 

This isn't about Gable. It's about any athlete that decides to leave college for two years to pursue other ventures and then somehow gets their eligibility preserved. Use it or lose it. 

[nhs67]

  On 1/20/2025 at 8:04 PM, BruceyB said:

Where did anyone say a word about doubting how great of a wrestler Gable is? That's not even part of the discussion.

 

What? He earned an Olympic redshirt so now we're going to pretend like he didn't compete in college in 2019? I'm sorry but that makes no sense. 

You're just ignoring the fact that it's ridiculous to grant an Olympic redshirt, where the entire purpose is to allow an athlete to take a year off in pursuit of their Olympic goals, to an athlete who is not even participating in the sport. There is a difference between qualifying for an Olympic redshirt and deserving an Olympic redshirt. 

This isn't about Gable. It's about any athlete that decides to leave college for two years to pursue other ventures and then somehow gets their eligibility preserved. Use it or lose it. 

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You are entitled to an opnion.

As I said, your opnion doesn't matter, which is my opinion as well.  He earned it.  It is up to him to determine you to spend it.  If you earn a $25,000 bonus at your place of employment and you don't use it within a year, do other people get to determine if they want to take it back?

[nhs67]

  On 1/20/2025 at 8:04 PM, BruceyB said:

Where did anyone say a word about doubting how great of a wrestler Gable is? That's not even part of the discussion.

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Fair point.

[nhs67]

  On 1/20/2025 at 4:05 PM, Greenwave said:

Michigan will be in portal buying the gap wrestlers.

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Taye Ghadiali anyone?

[BruceyB]

  On 1/20/2025 at 8:19 PM, nhs67 said:

You are entitled to an opnion.

As I said, your opnion doesn't matter, which is my opinion as well.  He earned it.  It is up to him to determine you to spend it.  If you earn a $25,000 bonus at your place of employment and you don't use it within a year, do other people get to determine if they want to take it back?

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Sure. We can agree to disagree. I fundamentally disagree that an Olympic redshirt should be spent however the athlete wants to. It's literally granted for the pursuit of Olympic dreams, not as a year off for a qualified athlete to spend galivanting.