Government Incompetence

[mspart]

Maybe this is their future fire prevention for the area.  Proscribed burn so to speak. 

mspart

[Husker_Du]

On 1/14/2025 at 1:21 PM, Le duke said:

If you turn on all of the fire hydrants, some of them aren't going to have water. Over a large enough network, with enough open valves, no matter how much water you have feeding it, you will run out of pressure. The end. Turns out, when you have fire spread out over an area that large, you meet those conditions. You can do the same thing with your household irrigation system, at a much smaller scale. 

Now, if you're suggesting that the civil engineering standards should be updated to meet newer threats and resultant requirements, sure, I'd agree with you. But the water delivery system is not "bad"; it's built to a known standard that is, for lack of a better term, outdated. But that's still the standard.

lol. does the government own you or something?

they 

1) cut 17m in funding

2) didn't use 7b allotted for improvements

3) didn't have the reservoir filled

4) cut forest management

and you're dying on the hill that 'stuff happens and nothing could have been done better and there's no one to blame'

keep going. this is incredible. 

[Le duke]

lol. does the government own you or something?
they 
1) cut 17m in funding
2) didn't use 7b allotted for improvements
3) didn't have the reservoir filled
4) cut forest management
and you're dying on the hill that 'stuff happens and nothing could have been done better and there's no one to blame'
keep going. this is incredible. 

Because you insist on continually opening your trap and acting like the fool we know you to be:

1) The overall FD budget increased.
2) Eminent domain cases take a long time. Look those words up.
3) There are a half dozen other reservoirs that supply water to this area. Those reservoirs are above their historical averages. Overall supply was not an issue. Local pressure at hydrants was the problem. But, this is well beyond your ability to comprehend, so I’ll move on.
4) CAL FIRE’s budget has grown every year since 2019. From $2.5 billion, with 7,100 personnel to $4.2 billion and 12,511 personnel in 2024-2025.


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[headshuck]

A friend of mine who lives in LA and narrowly escaped the fires posted this.

Everyone agrees more could have been done to prepare.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, headshuck said:

Everyone agrees more could have been done to prepare.

I know 1 person who doesn’t agree.   I’ll protect their secret identity though.  

[Husker_Du]

53 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Because you insist on continually opening your trap and acting like the fool we know you to be:

1) The overall FD budget increased.
2) Eminent domain cases take a long time. Look those words up.
3) There are a half dozen other reservoirs that supply water to this area. Those reservoirs are above their historical averages. Overall supply was not an issue. Local pressure at hydrants was the problem. But, this is well beyond your ability to comprehend, so I’ll move on.
4) CAL FIRE’s budget has grown every year since 2019. From $2.5 billion, with 7,100 personnel to $4.2 billion and 12,511 personnel in 2024-2025.


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deflect, deflect, deflect

you gotta be a full scale cuck to make excuses for the government the way you do.

let's just throw our hands up. nothing could have been done (despite the trillions californians pay in taxes)

you're a loser. 

[Bigbrog]

53 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Because you insist on continually opening your trap and acting like the fool we know you to be:

1) The overall FD budget increased.
2) Eminent domain cases take a long time. Look those words up.
3) There are a half dozen other reservoirs that supply water to this area. Those reservoirs are above their historical averages. Overall supply was not an issue. Local pressure at hydrants was the problem. But, this is well beyond your ability to comprehend, so I’ll move on.
4) CAL FIRE’s budget has grown every year since 2019. From $2.5 billion, with 7,100 personnel to $4.2 billion and 12,511 personnel in 2024-2025.


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So you think the leadership did a great job before, during and after this??

[Le duke]

deflect, deflect, deflect
you gotta be a full scale cuck to make excuses for the government the way you do.
let's just throw our hands up. nothing could have been done (despite the trillions californians pay in taxes)
you're a loser. 

Deflect… with facts? Everything you said above was a lie or half-truth.

Hell, you can’t stop lying even now. Californians don’t pay (present tense) trillions in taxes. In 2023, they paid 220 billion in state and 507 billion in federal taxes. That’s not even one trillion, let alone several trillions.

All of this stuff is easily looked up if you have any passing interest in the truth.


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[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, Le duke said:

 

Deflect… with facts? Everything you said above was a lie or half-truth.

Hell, you can’t stop lying even now. Californians don’t pay (present tense) trillions in taxes. In 2023, they paid 220 billion in state and 507 billion in federal taxes. That’s not even one trillion, let alone several trillions.

All of this stuff is easily looked up if you have any passing interest in the truth.


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Which states pay more in taxes?

[Le duke]

Which states pay more in taxes?

I didn’t say that anyone pays more. The claim I contradicted was that Californians pay (present tense) trillions in taxes; they don’t.

But, if you are so inclined, you can look up per-capita state and federal taxes. It’s all out there. I’m guessing DC and NY pay more state tax income tax on a per-capita basis but, again, just a guess.


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[mspart]

But you are not answering the question.   Husker was obviously being hyperbolic much like you are in excusing the government and absolving them of any  culpability in this wreck of an incident response.  

To put your argument into perspective, Californians pay 0.22 Trillions in state taxes and 0.507 Trillions in Federal taxes.   You see, they pay trillions in taxes.   Stupid  argument to pick UB.

mspart

[ionel]

16 hours ago, Le duke said:

 The claim I contradicted was that Californians pay (present tense) trillions in taxes; they don’t.

But they should correct? 

[Offthemat]

I didn’t see property, sales, car tags, excise, licensing and permitting, etc, on the list. 

[Caveira]

 

On 1/15/2025 at 2:39 PM, Husker_Du said:

lol. does the government own you or something?

they 

1) cut 17m in funding

2) didn't use 7b allotted for improvements

3) didn't have the reservoir filled

4) cut forest management

and you're dying on the hill that 'stuff happens and nothing could have been done better and there's no one to blame'

keep going. this is incredible. 

These west coast leaders still over performing?    Fires still burning + new ones?

• A new fire, the Hughes Fire, forced mandatory evacuation orders and warnings in the Los Angeles County community of Castaic on Wednesday, authorities said.
• Fires across the L.A. area have killed at least 28 people, destroyed more than 15,000 structures and charred some 63 square miles. The Palisades and Eaton wildfires continue to burn today.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/la-fires-southern-california-high-winds-wildfire-risk/

[Caveira]

4 hours ago, Caveira said:

 

These west coast leaders still over performing?    Fires still burning + new ones?

 

• A new fire, the Hughes Fire, forced mandatory evacuation orders and warnings in the Los Angeles County community of Castaic on Wednesday, authorities said.
• Fires across the L.A. area have killed at least 28 people, destroyed more than 15,000 structures and charred some 63 square miles. The Palisades and Eaton wildfires continue to burn today.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/live-updates/la-fires-southern-california-high-winds-wildfire-risk/

I realized I quoted the wrong person.  It’s @Le duke who thought the gov was over performing wasn’t it?   What say you sir duke?

[Gene Mills Fan]

12 hours ago, Caveira said:

I realized I quoted the wrong person.  It’s @Le duke who thought the gov was over performing wasn’t it?   What say you sir duke?

I think he said there was plenty of water it just wasn't in the hydrants???

[mspart]

https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents

Your government protection in action. 

mspart

 

[Caveira]

31 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I think he said there was plenty of water it just wasn't in the hydrants???

@Le duke he’s not saying anything any more.  

[Le duke]

I realized I quoted the wrong person.  It’s [mention=70]Le duke[/mention] who thought the gov was over performing wasn’t it?   What say you sir duke?

Where did I say that anyone was “over performing”?

Are you drunk again?


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[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Where did I say that anyone was “over performing”?

Are you drunk again?


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You for said the gov was not to blame.   Apologies for saying that is over performing.  
 

are they still not to blame here.   Or how long do the fires need to continue in your opinion to start criticizing Cali leadership for not doing enough ?   I mean.  Only 138 of so folks have died so far.  

[Caveira]

On 1/23/2025 at 12:58 PM, Le duke said:

Where did I say that anyone was “over performing”?

Are you drunk again?


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The La mayor…. Is she still doing a good job?

 

[Le duke]

LOL. This is insane. Might as well sign an order to make the fires extinguish themselves.




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[headshuck]

Depends on how you take it. Could the executive orders be intended to open the floodgates of bureaucracy?

[Le duke]

Depends on how you take it. Could the executive orders be intended to open the floodgates of bureaucracy?

What will this EO do, other than put more water in reservoirs that are already quite full?

As soon as they hit their max, and most are quite close, they will start draining water down their spillways into the Pacific. The end.


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[headshuck]

I don’t know I guess I’m asking you if there’s one or more executive orders planned and are they all to do with water or are they going to be related to rebuilding efforts?