Jan 6 came and went

[Caveira]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

A couple of thoughts:

I never said insurrection. I have not misrepresented the facts.

All you have said is what you think did not happen. Just another attempt at minimization. That is what I railed against, and will continue to rail against. That is the lie that keeps getting repeated. 

Please rail a little against Mr team hamas for us.   At least take that side.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

9 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I'd challenge you to re-read ALL of what I wrote and then would expect you may want to revise you second sentence.   In addition, read Rasta's response as it appears that he understood the overall point. And I agree with most of what he responded.

I'd also challenge you to remove your emotional feelings about what happened and read what everyone wrote in this thread and then I assume you would revise your last sentence as well.  People on here have not once said what you are claiming, other than use of the word "overblown", and you are using that word totally removed of any context in which it was used.

As for the "several people died" comment, I'd be open to a back and forth on how any of the deaths outside of the person who was shot on Jan 6th can be claimed to have occurred on Jan 6th, or because of it??

By the way WNK, you are definitely one of the good "lefties" on here that I enjoy going back and forth with.  

I have re-read the thread. And I do not change my position. And I cannot remove my emotional feelings. That too is an attempt to minimize. That is what I have a problem with.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Please rail a little against Mr team hamas for us.   At least take that side.  

Your go to move is an attempt to change the subject. Not interested.

[Lipdrag]

4 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Everyone should be in agreement that what happened last time, the totality of what happened the last time, was simply horrible.

Nope.  I was at more "horrible" high school parties and college sports victory celebrations than what happened on Jan 6th in terms of violence, destruction, police stand offs, etc.  Certainly no security people waving in crowds of grandmothers who walked calmly between the velvet ropes were involved in those events.  

[Wrestleknownothing]

8 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

I'd put the Civil War and the Business Plot of 1933 as way more threatening attempts on  our Nation than Jan 6th which was nothing more than  a fart in the wind

I will give you the Civil War, but not a plot that was only ever discussed and never attempted.

[PortaJohn]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Good answer.  I started typing something similar, but deleted.  Very well done.

No problem.  Here are two other events that had the potential to unravel our federal government.  The Whiskey Rebellion and the little known event of the Pennamite-Yankee Wars.  And as I've liked to joke around with you on this board @Wrestleknownothing should know we literally had the continental army take over Philadelphia in 1783 and congress had to flee to Princeton over a payment dispute.

Was January 6th embarrassing?  Yes.  Is it a stain on our history?  Legitimate argument.  Was it an event that nearly toppled our institutions?  Absolutely not

[mspart]

28 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

A couple of thoughts:

I never said insurrection. I have not misrepresented the facts.

All you have said is what you think did not happen. Just another attempt at minimization. That is what I railed against, and will continue to rail against. That is the lie that keeps getting repeated. 

Prove what I wrote to be wrong WKN.   I can take it. 

As to you not saying insurrection, that is where this all starts.  That is why this has had legs that still gets brought up as a most terrible day.   Maybe you didn't say it but your last paragraph above indicates that is what you are thinking.  Otherwise, you would not say I am minimizing anything because it wasn't a big deal in  the first place.  

Looking forward to you proving what I wrote as being wrong. 

mspart

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

28 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

No problem.  Here are two other events that had the potential to unravel our federal government.  The Whiskey Rebellion and the little known event of the Pennamite-Yankee Wars.  And as I've liked to joke around with you on this board @Wrestleknownothing should know we literally had the continental army take over Philadelphia in 1783 and congress had to flee to Princeton over a payment dispute.

Was January 6th embarrassing?  Yes.  Is it a stain on our history?  Legitimate argument.  Was it an event that nearly toppled our institutions?  Absolutely not

Ahhh... the "Newburgh Conspiracy."

Let us not forget the the election of 1800 was not exactly uneventful.  1824 was not a walk in the park either.

 

[WrestlingRasta]

Mmmmmm look at all that smoke.  You know Rasta like ….

[mspart]

Speaking of which, we had a  pretty good smoked  brisket for Christmas.   Yummay!!

mspart

[PortaJohn]

18 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Let us not forget the the election of 1800 was not exactly uneventful

Ah yes,  Incumbent John Adams (America's only hermaphrodite President) lost to a deceased Thomas Jefferson!

[Wrestleknownothing]

35 minutes ago, mspart said:

Prove what I wrote to be wrong WKN.   I can take it. 

As to you not saying insurrection, that is where this all starts.  That is why this has had legs that still gets brought up as a most terrible day.   Maybe you didn't say it but your last paragraph above indicates that is what you are thinking.  Otherwise, you would not say I am minimizing anything because it wasn't a big deal in  the first place.  

Looking forward to you proving what I wrote as being wrong. 

mspart

After saying that you are suddenly enamored of proof?

This is another favorite technique of these off topic threads. The demands for proof even though no matter what is said in response will never be accepted as proof, and in spite of the fact that you do not burden yourself with the same standard.

[mspart]

1 minute ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

After saying that you are suddenly enamored of proof?

This is another favorite technique of these off topic threads. The demands for proof even though no matter what is said in response will never be accepted as proof, and in spite of the fact that you do not burden yourself with the same standard.

OK, so we all get it.   You cannot prove me worng.   Good to know. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack

Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer who died of natural causes a day after being assaulted by rioters.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/how-many-died-as-a-result-of-capitol-riot/

In a tweet on Oct. 24, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez referred to the Capitol riot on Jan. 6 as “a terror attack,” which she said resulted in “almost 10 dead.” She called for “any member of Congress who helped plot” it to be “expelled.”

Journalist Glenn Greenwald commented on Twitter that the claim of “‘almost 10 dead’ from the 1/6 riot is deceitful in the extreme. Four people died on 1/6: all Trump supporters.”

Two heart attacks: According to an April release from the Washington, D.C., medical examiner’s office, “Stop the Steal” protesters Kevin Greeson, 55, and Benjamin Phillips, 50, both died of cardiovascular disease, and the manner of death was deemed “natural.”

An accidental overdose: D.C. police also said on the day after the riot that Rosanne Boyland, 34, of Kennisaw, Georgia, suffered a “medical emergency.” The New York Times reported on Jan. 15 that Boyland died “in a crush of fellow rioters during their attempt to fight through a police line, according to videos reviewed by The Times.” That narrative was furthered by prosecutors pressing criminal cases against some of the rioters who said that as rioters clashed with police, Boyland “was dying after being trampled by the mob.”

But a month later, the D.C. medical examiner’s office released its conclusion that Boyland had died accidentally of “acute amphetamine intoxication.”

A shooting death: Ashli Babbitt, 35, of San Diego and an Air Force veteran, died on the day of the riot after being shot in the shoulder by a Capitol Police officer while protesters “were forcing their way toward the House Chamber where Members of Congress were sheltering in place,” according to a Jan. 7 statement from then-U.S. Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund.

In April, the Department of Justice announced that it would not pursue any charges against the Capitol Police officer who shot Babbitt.

Ocasio-Cortez’s statement that the Capitol attack resulted in “almost 10 dead” includes five police officers, none of whom died at the scene on Jan. 6.

Please prove this wrong.   I am exaggerating of course.  

mspart

 

[WrestlingRasta]

9 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

After saying that you are suddenly enamored of proof?

This is another favorite technique of these off topic threads. The demands for proof even though no matter what is said in response will never be accepted as proof, and in spite of the fact that you do not burden yourself with the same standard.

I’ve always said people who were interested in truth rather than slanted versions, wouldn’t be demanding proof on an anonymous message board.  The whole practice just seems silly for someone truly interested in finding truth. 

[ionel]

53 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Ahhh... the "Newburgh Conspiracy."

Let us not forget the the election of 1800 was not exactly uneventful.  1824 was not a walk in the park either.

 

July 11th changed the course of history. 

[ionel]

18 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I’ve always said people who were interested in truth rather than slanted versions, wouldn’t be demanding proof on an anonymous message board.  The whole practice just seems silly for someone truly interested in finding truth. 

And yet we demand smoker grill pics!   

[WrestlingRasta]

23 minutes ago, ionel said:

And yet we demand smoker grill pics!   

 

this Sunday’s weekly meal prep. 

[ionel]

37 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

 

this Sunday’s weekly meal prep. 

Thats what I'm talking about even anonymous posters want to see the proof!   

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Ah yes,  Incumbent John Adams (America's only hermaphrodite President) lost to a deceased Thomas Jefferson!

'Bald, fat, toothless, hermaphroditical'

[WrestlingRasta]

The lamb shank was a first time try for me, and I failed.  Just got distracted and let it go too long before I pulled it and started the braise.  Only cooked one of the two in the pic, so I'm going to give it another try.  Chops are much better though...

[PortaJohn]

3 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

The lamb shank was a first time try for me, and I failed.  Just got distracted and let it go too long before I pulled it and started the braise.  Only cooked one of the two in the pic, so I'm going to give it another try.  Chops are much better though...

Have had lamb shank a few times.  Best taste was always the mediterranean styles.  Was told a good red wine is the key

[Caveira]

51 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Have had lamb shank a few times.  Best taste was always the mediterranean styles.  Was told a good red wine is the key

Lamb shoulder is fantastic.   I do a lamb shoulder barbacoa …… mmmmmm.   

[152lbs]

On 1/7/2025 at 9:09 AM, Ohio Elite said:

Jan 6 was an overblown joke...

No.  Jan 6, 2021 was a modern day Beer Hall Putsch.  It was a riot incited by an outgoing President that refused to accept the outcome of an election.  Full stop.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

6 minutes ago, 152lbs said:

No.  Jan 6, 2021 was a modern day Beer Hall Putsch.  It was a riot incited by an outgoing President that refused to accept the outcome of an election.  Full stop.

There were more firearms at the Beer Hall Putsch.

[Lipdrag]

2 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

There were more firearms at the Beer Hall Putsch.

And fewer grandmothers.