Post Olympics thoughts

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 minutes ago, alliseeisgold said:

Wow just saw Snyder lost , as a favorite again. 

We still don't think he's regressed since going to Carl ?

Been saying he's more average then elite all week but even I thought he would pull out a bronze. 

Boy.....RETHERford was the best performance by carl this week. Sometimes your just outclassed and that's ok. 

Sacrilege!

certainly he’s doing some new techniques since the move? He only ever loses to two people. 

[1032004]

22 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

Got any answers as to why we had a bad tournament in a weakened field? Or just want to “lol c’mon” and leave it at that?

RBY-down artificially low, weight cut killed him. 

And you’re proving my point, Amine and Parris come from the same room, but they don’t go through the same process. Odds on that this is a USAW issue of some sort. Don’t know what it is, but to have athletes coming from 3 rooms all look off, where are the commonalities for their process leading up?

Our guys usually wrestle the way seabass and amine did, they didn’t this time.  

These tournaments happen once every 4 years.  Each weight class within the US has 20+ dudes putting their lives on hold for years just to aim at these few days of wrestling.  Their effort and investment demand the respect of a few questions and raised eyebrows when the entire team looks off, considering it has been decades since we last failed to bring home at least one men’s gold.

Not to mention, if we want to actually keep good wrestlers in the US system, we need to be showing out.  We will keep losing more talent to dual citizenship otherwise.  

I was lol’ing because the guys we sent had already proven to be elite.  Snyder Olympic champ, Brooks had to beat an Olympic champ to make the team, Zain and Dake world champs, Parris world medalist.

I’m not sure why they didn’t wrestle up to their potential, but the only one that wrestled “bad” IMO was Parris.  Lee wrestled well but Higuchi wrestled better.  Brooks was a second away from the finals, and Zain got beat by a buzzsaw.   There could be some slowing down of Dake and Snyder due to age.

Amine didn’t even medal, seems odd that you are praising his performance but criticizing the US guys’.

There could be something to be said for the US trials being so daunting that the transfers have an advantage by not having to deal with that, but that’s evidence of how strong we are which is contrary to your claims.

[wrestle87]

4 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I get the impression Tervel was the one who grew Snyder into the guy he is. He seems to have regressed a bit. 

Makes a ton of sense, snyder’s style used to be much more tervel-y.  NLWC has tried to tell him ankle picks are the only way to the promised land, and frankly they have not served him well.  He’s not built like bo or david, and that style is very body type dependent.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, wrestle87 said:

Makes a ton of sense, snyder’s style used to be much more tervel-y.  NLWC has tried to tell him ankle picks are the only way to the promised land, and frankly they have not served him well.  He’s not built like bo or david, and that style is very body type dependent.

He may have made some significant gains as a resident athlete at the OTC as well. 

[alliseeisgold]

24 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

I get the impression Tervel was the one who grew Snyder into the guy he is. He seems to have regressed a bit. 

100 percent. The synergy with tervel was great and if anything Snyder has a coaching edge with tervel. Countless interviews of Snyder talking about how much tervel helped him, mentally as well.

Just not sure how you go from that, including being best friends to just completely cutting everything with Ohio state off

Sounds like karma. 

Edited August 11 by alliseeisgold

[alliseeisgold]

I would argue the synergy between Snyder and tervel is the kind you really never see between a coach and athlete. Think of any others ? I can't think of any

The kind that gives you a competitive edge 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, alliseeisgold said:

100 percent. The synergy with tervel was great and if anything Snyder has a coaching edge with tervel. Countless interviews of Snyder talking about how much tervel helped him, mentally as well.

Just not sure how you go from that, including being best friends to just completely cutting everything with Ohio state off

Sounds like karma. 

His wife went to medical school in PA. 

[alliseeisgold]

Just now, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

His wife went to medical school in PA. 

We all know the woman follows the man. 

Snyder didn't need to cut off his best friends from Ohio State. 

Obviously he felt cael was the secret sauce. He was wrong. Clearly. 

[SoonerKing]

I have no problems with challenging status and even Zadick. We all had higher hopes for our team. We missed this Olympics but our system is NOT broken. We missed on opportunities. We cannimprove yet I see no reason for drastic overhaul. Bad mistake to look at 1 week of performance when we have been on top for about 7 years now.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 minutes ago, SoonerKing said:

I have no problems with challenging status and even Zadick. We all had higher hopes for our team. We missed this Olympics but our system is NOT broken. We missed on opportunities. We cannimprove yet I see no reason for drastic overhaul. Bad mistake to look at 1 week of performance when we have been on top for about 7 years now.

The problem is: this was the most important week.

All the other weeks are practice for this one 

Edited August 11 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[CHROMEBIRD]

We may have gotten a little spoiled from the last several results at Worlds. It's not like our wrestlers were getting tossed and teched like crazy in Paris, though. Re-wrestle the brackets 10 times and I'm sure you'd get 10 different results, including one where the US takes home a bunch of gold. Thin margins and such.

[The Kid]

53 minutes ago, alliseeisgold said:

We all know the woman follows the man. 

Snyder didn't need to cut off his best friends from Ohio State. 

Obviously he felt cael was the secret sauce. He was wrong. Clearly. 

He had a terrible tournament by anyone's  standards.  He left Columbus for the higher ground, even after Ohio State let him adjust his schedule for his freestyle aspirations.   Which was the right thing to do imo. They lost dual meets because of this, but they had an Olympic champ on the team.  No other team would let Kyle freelance. No one. 

And honestly. It's not that Kyle left Ohio State, its how he left.  A need a new set of eyes? You got them Kyle. 

[1032004]

Were there any mens FS weights where it would have helped the guys to have competed more and earned better seeds?  Maybe Zain?  That seems like about it

 

[Mr. PeanutButter]

39 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Were there any mens FS weights where it would have helped the guys to have competed more and earned better seeds?  Maybe Zain?  That seems like about it

 

Brooks maybe could have benefited from a little more experience. He'll get there 

[Spladle08]

52 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Were there any mens FS weights where it would have helped the guys to have competed more and earned better seeds?  Maybe Zain?  That seems like about it

 

I mean Snyder getting all the rankings series points possible would've changed A LOT. 
 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

58 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Were there any mens FS weights where it would have helped the guys to have competed more and earned better seeds?  Maybe Zain?  That seems like about it

 

Snyder

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 minutes ago, Spladle08 said:

I mean Snyder getting all the rankings series points possible would've changed A LOT. 
 

Keep in mind that side of the bracket was also supposed to have Saduleev in it. 

[1032004]

13 minutes ago, Spladle08 said:

I mean Snyder getting all the rankings series points possible would've changed A LOT. 
 

So he could have been #1 seed if he wrestled in more events?

[Spladle08]

Just now, 1032004 said:

So he could have been #1 seed if he wrestled in more events?

I haven't looked at all he wrestled but I'm blindly assuming with his points from being returning World Bronze, had he won multiple ranking series events he would've overtaken Magomedov

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

So he could have been #1 seed if he wrestled in more events?

Isn’t it basic points.  I.e ranking events are worth points if you place etc.    go to event.  Place get points.  Get seeded.  Don’t go.  Well there you go.   Could you be a 39x defending world champ and not get seeded?   If you go to no ranking events ?

Edited August 11 by Caveira

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Isn’t it basic points.  I.e ranking events are worth points if you place etc.    go to event.  Place get points.  Get seeded.  Don’t go.  Well there you go.   Could you be a 39x defending world champ and not get seeded?   If you go to no ranking events ?

No ranking events, no seed. Even for a 40x world champ. (Or as we saw a 4x Olympic champ)

[1032004]

9 minutes ago, Spladle08 said:

I haven't looked at all he wrestled but I'm blindly assuming with his points from being returning World Bronze, had he won multiple ranking series events he would've overtaken Magomedov

Maybe I’m misremembering but wasn’t he like the one US rep that did actually wrestle in other events?  I wasn’t sure how many others he could have entered to improve his seed by much 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

13 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Maybe I’m misremembering but wasn’t he like the one US rep that did actually wrestle in other events?  I wasn’t sure how many others he could have entered to improve his seed by much 

He did Zagreb and Pan Am. I don’t think he did the other three. Hes generally one of the more active US guys. 

Edited August 11 by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[pokemonster]

3 hours ago, The Kid said:

And honestly. It's not that Kyle left Ohio State, its how he left.  A need a new set of eyes? You got them Kyle. 

Did he leave on bad terms or in a shitty way? I can't really remember. 

[billyhoyle]

4 hours ago, The Kid said:

He had a terrible tournament by anyone's  standards.  He left Columbus for the higher ground, even after Ohio State let him adjust his schedule for his freestyle aspirations.   Which was the right thing to do imo. They lost dual meets because of this, but they had an Olympic champ on the team.  No other team would let Kyle freelance. No one. 

And honestly. It's not that Kyle left Ohio State, its how he left.  A need a new set of eyes? You got them Kyle. 

If Ohio State fans are bitter at all about how Kyle Snyder left Ohio State, they need to reassess their priorities.  The guy is the greatest wrestler the university has ever produced and one of their greatest athletes.  If he wanted to move, regardless of the reason and whatever the timing, that's his choice and the fans should support him. He gave so much to that program, and he did it before NIL existed. And it's not as if he was somebody that wasn't heavily recruited that they largely developed in house, he was the biggest can't miss recruit in our lifetime. 

Edited August 12 by billyhoyle