Caveira Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) Should a man be able to box against females in the Olympics? Edited July 30 by Caveira Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio Elite Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 No, we live in rainbow world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpeltf Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 If those are the two I saw in an article someone posted on FB (from Fox). They were not determined to be XY. They had been dqed a couple years ago for testosterone (at least one was). The article made it clear several others were, in fact, dqed for xy. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Tamara-and-Inna-Press-Sisters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingRasta Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) Correct. They’ve never been identified as male and they have been competing in the female ranks for years. They were DQ’d mid tournament at world championships by IIBA, which runs world but not Olympics, because they are probably the most corrupt governing body out there. Edited July 31 by WrestlingRasta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu‑ting of Chinese Taipei (Taiwan), who were both removed or stripped of medals from last year’s World Championships after allegedly failing gender-eligibility tests for the female category, have been cleared to fight at the Paris Olympics. The two women have been at the center of the continuing controversy regarding the inclusion in the female sports category of women who have naturally elevated levels of testosterone. To be clear, these two women are not reportedly transgender, though anti-trans activists like Riley Gaines are making the claim they are men. These athletes may be intersex. Last year at the World Championships, governed by the International Boxing Association, IBA president Umar Kremlev claimed the two women had taken chromosome tests that came back as male, XY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Yeah looks to me like they were actually born women. Accusing actual women in the Olympics of being men was of course a predictable next step when we’ve got thousands of Americans that actually believe Michelle Obama is a man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 1 hour ago, 1032004 said: Yeah looks to me like they were actually born women. Accusing actual women in the Olympics of being men was of course a predictable next step when we’ve got thousands of Americans that actually believe Michelle Obama is a man. Rugby star Ilona Maher is dealing with a lot of the same harassment. It's shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 It is unfortunate for the competitors but XYs should not be competing against XXs in boxing. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/02/200205132404.htm#:~:text=But even with roughly uniform,with time and with purpose Quote But even with roughly uniform levels of fitness, the males' average power during a punching motion was 162% greater than females', with the least-powerful man still stronger than the most powerful woman. Such a distinction between genders, Carrier says, develops with time and with purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red viking Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I agree, but sort of a trivial thing to complain about with all the bigger problems going on in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 How much scientific evidence is required for the IOC to determine that these XY boxers with elevated testosterone levels have a disproportionate competitive advantage? https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Human-Rights/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf#page=4 --- -------------- They could listen to athletes that competed against them. Quote 'When I fought with her I felt very out of my depth,' she wrote on X. 'Her blows hurt me a lot, I don't think I had ever felt like that in my 13 years as a boxer, nor in my sparring with men. Thank God that day I got out of the ring safely, and it's good that they finally realized.' - Brianda Tamara Everyone talking in the comments about how unfair this boxing match was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 Imane Khelif of Algeria and Lin Yu‑ting of Chinese Taipei (Taiwan), who were both removed or stripped of medals from last year’s World Championships after allegedly failing gender-eligibility tests for the female category……. How do you figure you know they weren’t born men? meet the transgender boxer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 hours ago, red viking said: I agree, but sort of a trivial thing to complain about with all the bigger problems going on in the world. Trivial in a universe sense maybe, but not to those competing. If equity is the goal, that should at least start with being fair in sports. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveira Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 19 minutes ago, mspart said: Trivial in a universe sense maybe, but not to those competing. If equity is the goal, that should at least start with being fair in sports. mspart The left would have to admit it’s not fair…… which they will not do because it doesn’t jive with their overarching core message. Slowly some athletic bodies are disallowing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 This is unconscionable. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 14 minutes ago, mspart said: This is unconscionable. mspart You don't think women should be able to compete against women if they have too much testosterone? On 7/31/2024 at 10:00 AM, jross said: How much scientific evidence is required for the IOC to determine that these XY boxers with elevated testosterone levels have a disproportionate competitive advantage? https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Human-Rights/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf#page=4 --- -------------- They could listen to athletes that competed against them. Everyone talking in the comments about how unfair this boxing match was... When do we start DQing basketball players for being too tall? These women were born women and have lived their whole lives as women. It's not even legal to be trans in Algeria. She's been beaten a ton by the way. She's not an unstoppable force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 19 hours ago, Caveira said: The left would have to admit it’s not fair…… which they will not do because it doesn’t jive with their overarching core message. Slowly some athletic bodies are disallowing it. Neither of these women are trans. Stop spreading disinformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 @uncle bernard What does it tell the world when the boxers have not sued and have not shared their own XX/XY results? Why hasn't the organization shared the results? It is most likely that these 'women' have XY chromosomes and the org does not want to be sued for violating privacy rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 5 minutes ago, jross said: @uncle bernard What does it tell the world when the boxers have not sued and have not shared their own XX/XY results? Why hasn't the organization shared the results? It is most likely that these 'women' have XY chromosomes and the org does not want to be sued for violating privacy rights. How about you start using basic common sense for once? It’s not even legal to be trans in Algeria and you think they decided 20 years ago to disguise a boy from a small rural village as a girl on the off chance he would be good at sports? Or is it more likely she was born with a chromosome disorder, which is far more common than you think? 1-2 in 100 people are born intersex. Many never find out because they have normal male or female sexual organs - like these women. You’re choosing to believe the far less likely possibility because it scratches the right itch in your mind. Well, this is the consequence: Half this country is borderline schizophrenic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) Intersex, raised a girl, none of that matters. XY should not box XX, especially when multiple competitors say the XY hits with the power of a man reports of high testosterone Edited August 1 by jross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) I DO NOT CARE IF A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO COMPETE AS XY IN XX AND FEEL THIS IS AN INJUSTICE. LIFE IS NOT FAIR. Edited August 1 by jross 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just now, jross said: Intersex, raised a girl, none of that matters. XY should not box XX, especially when multiple competitors say the XY hits with the power of a man reports of high testosterone It's all fun and games until someone sees Amit Elor's broad shoulders and big muscles and accuses her of being a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1032004 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 37 minutes ago, jross said: @uncle bernard What does it tell the world when the boxers have not sued and have not shared their own XX/XY results? Why hasn't the organization shared the results? It is most likely that these 'women' have XY chromosomes and the org does not want to be sued for violating privacy rights. We know they failed tests (maybe just one?), but that could have just been for elevated testosterone, the XY chromosome claim is really just coming from some Russian dude who is apparently corrupt. Edited August 1 by 1032004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jross Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 19 minutes ago, uncle bernard said: It's all fun and games until someone sees Amit Elor's broad shoulders and big muscles and accuses her of being a man. Does she have XY chromosomes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 minutes ago, 1032004 said: We know they failed tests (maybe just one?), but that could have just been for elevated testosterone, the XY chromosome claim is really just coming from some Russian dude who is apparently corrupt. Yes, 100%. It came from the Russian head of IBA - who got stripped of their governance for extensive corruption - after....*checks notes*....she beat a Russian boxer at the world championships. The IBA has never produced those results. @jross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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