Who are the top 5 D1 College HWTS of all time?

[NormMacDonald]

I’d put Angle and Gwiz at 4 and 5. Angle should have been a 3X and Gwiz had a great match against Snyder in the finals. 

Edited May 30 by NormMacDonald

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, NM1965 said:

Who are you referring to? 

that you have steveson #1 on a list of college HWYs. No offense, this is one of my opinions that most people seem to think is stupid.

[MPhillips]

3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

this is one of my opinions that most people seem to think is stupid.

I don't believe this one is stupid...

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, NormMacDonald said:

I’d put Angle and Gwiz at 4 and 5. Angle should have been a 3X and Gwiz had a great match against Snyder in the finals. 

So we are going with the shoulda now?  In that case Hutton shoulda been a 4x undefeated NC if not for a tie match in finals his Jr year and a silly referee decision.  If that'd been the case we'd never have been talking about that Cael guy.  

[Hammerlock3]

this topic is also committing the heretical omission of ignoring the idea Ferrari goes HWY in the future, in which case he slots in at 4 at the lowest.

[ionel]

19 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

this is one of my opinions that most people seem to think is stupid.

 

14 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

I don't believe this one is stupid...

You can trust MP on this one.  He knows stupid when he sees it.  If MP says it ain't stupid you are good. 

[Gantry]

2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The case for Steveson has to be based on highest high rather than any sustained success. But if that is the criteria I think Snyder pips him. Steveson has 2 AAs, 2 titles, and an Olympic Gold while in college. Meanwhile Snyder has 3 AAs, 3 titles, and an Olympic Gold while in college. Do you ding Snyder for having his gold at 97kg, or do you acknowledge that 97kg (~213 lb) is still heavy in college?

Synder gets dinged because he lost a match his senior year where Gable was pretty much untouchable his last two years. 

[NM1965]

38 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said:

that you have steveson #1 on a list of college HWYs. No offense, this is one of my opinions that most people seem to think is stupid.

Nobody else seems to have a problem with me putting Gable first. In fact, most here seem to agree with me. Also, your complaint is illogical. Would it MATTER if Gable never wrestled another college match? What heavies do you think would beat him? I don't think your opinion is stupid,  but I do disagree with you. 

Edited May 31 by NM1965

[Hammerlock3]

2 minutes ago, NM1965 said:

Nobody else seems to have a problem with me putting Gable first. In fact, most here seem to agree with me. Also, your complaint is illogical. Would it MATTER if Gable never wrestled another college match? What heavies do you think would beat him? 

well at least one person seems to agree.

But moving forward, you think greatest is the person, who in their prime, could beat anyone else in their prime? I presume that's your criteria? I'm being logical so I won't rush ahead before we know what we're talking about.

[boconnell]

2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

The case for Steveson has to be based on highest high rather than any sustained success. But if that is the criteria I think Snyder pips him. Steveson has 2 AAs, 2 titles, and an Olympic Gold while in college. Meanwhile Snyder has 3 AAs, 3 titles, and an Olympic Gold while in college. Do you ding Snyder for having his gold at 97kg, or do you acknowledge that 97kg (~213 lb) is still heavy in college?

For me I have Snyder, Steveson, Hutton, Haselrig, and Mocco as my top 5.  

I think part of Steveson being so highly regarded is how he won his title.  He crushed 2X world medalist Gwiz in two matches to make the team.  Then he beat 4X Olympic and World champ Akgul in the semis 8-0.  Then he beat 3X world reigning champ Petiashvili in the gold medal match.  So that's the next best USA heavy of the past decade, and the two best international heavies of the past decade in a single gold medal run.  Snyder has a comparable win over Sadulaev, but it didn't come while he was in college.  He doesn't have a win on the level of Akgul or Petriashvilli while still in college.  He also didn't have to beat anyone domestic at Gwiz' level.  Steveson had probably the best couple month run of any college kid ever at any weight.  

And I agree Mocco is hanging around the top 5, but I can't put him over Konrad who had his way with him while both were at their peak.  

[Lunaticfringe]

Steveson, Snyder, Neal, Haselrig, Konrad

Edited May 31 by Lunaticfringe

[ionel]

14 minutes ago, Lunaticfringe said:

Steveson, Snyder, Neal, Haselrig, Konrad

How many D1 national championships did each win?

[GreatDane67]

Hodge Award winners..

2023	Mason Parris	285	Senior	Michigan
2022	Gable Steveson	285	Senior	Minnesota
2021	Spencer Lee & Gable Steveson	125, 285	Senior, Junior	Iowa, Minnesota
2020	Spencer Lee	125	Junior	Iowa
2019	Bo Nickal	197	Senior	Penn State
2018	Zain Retherford	149	Senior	Penn State
2017	Zain Retherford	149	Junior	Penn State
2016	Alex Dieringer	165	Senior	Oklahoma State
2015	Logan Stieber	141	Senior	Ohio State
2014	David Taylor	165	Senior	Penn State
2013	Kyle Dake	165	Senior	Cornell
2012	David Taylor	165	Sophomore	Penn State
2011	Jordan Burroughs	165	Senior	Nebraska
2010	Jayson Ness	133	Senior	Minnesota
2009	Jake Herbert	184	Senior	Northwestern
2008	Brent Metcalf	149	Sophomore	Iowa
2007	Ben Askren	174	Senior	Missouri
2006	Ben Askren	174	Junior	Missouri
2005	Steve Mocco	285	Junior	Oklahoma State
2004	Emmett Willson	197	Senior	Mont. State-Northern
2003	Eric Larkin	149	Senior	Arizona State
2002	Cael Sanderson	197	Senior	Iowa State
2001	Cael Sanderson & Nick Ackerman	184, 174	Junior, Senior	Iowa State, Simpson College
2000	Cael Sanderson	184	Sophomore	Iowa State
1999	Stephen Neal	285	Senior	CSU Bakersfield
1998	Mark Ironside	134	Senior	Iowa
1997	Kerry McCoy	285	Senior	Penn State
1996	Les Gutches	177	Senior	Oregon State
1995	T.J. Jaworsky	134	Senior	North Carolina

[MPhillips]

1 hour ago, ionel said:

You can trust MP on this one. 

Like EF 'MF' Hutton...

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 hour ago, GreatDane67 said:

Hodge Award winners..

2023	Mason Parris	285	Senior	Michigan
2022	Gable Steveson	285	Senior	Minnesota
2021	Spencer Lee & Gable Steveson	125, 285	Senior, Junior	Iowa, Minnesota
2020	Spencer Lee	125	Junior	Iowa
2019	Bo Nickal	197	Senior	Penn State
2018	Zain Retherford	149	Senior	Penn State
2017	Zain Retherford	149	Junior	Penn State
2016	Alex Dieringer	165	Senior	Oklahoma State
2015	Logan Stieber	141	Senior	Ohio State
2014	David Taylor	165	Senior	Penn State
2013	Kyle Dake	165	Senior	Cornell
2012	David Taylor	165	Sophomore	Penn State
2011	Jordan Burroughs	165	Senior	Nebraska
2010	Jayson Ness	133	Senior	Minnesota
2009	Jake Herbert	184	Senior	Northwestern
2008	Brent Metcalf	149	Sophomore	Iowa
2007	Ben Askren	174	Senior	Missouri
2006	Ben Askren	174	Junior	Missouri
2005	Steve Mocco	285	Junior	Oklahoma State
2004	Emmett Willson	197	Senior	Mont. State-Northern
2003	Eric Larkin	149	Senior	Arizona State
2002	Cael Sanderson	197	Senior	Iowa State
2001	Cael Sanderson & Nick Ackerman	184, 174	Junior, Senior	Iowa State, Simpson College
2000	Cael Sanderson	184	Sophomore	Iowa State
1999	Stephen Neal	285	Senior	CSU Bakersfield
1998	Mark Ironside	134	Senior	Iowa
1997	Kerry McCoy	285	Senior	Penn State
1996	Les Gutches	177	Senior	Oregon State
1995	T.J. Jaworsky	134	Senior	North Carolina

That formatting hurts my head

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, ionel said:

So we are going with the shoulda now?  In that case Hutton shoulda been a 4x undefeated NC if not for a tie match in finals his Jr year and a silly referee decision.  If that'd been the case we'd never have been talking about that Cael guy.  

They should change your emoji from banana to cherry cause your cherrypicking

[ionel]

Just now, Wrestleknownothing said:

They should change your emoji from banana to cherry cause your cherrypicking

 

[AgaveMaria]

He was not top 5 but my vote for most entertaining Heavyweight goes to Curly Culp at Arizona State where he won the School its first NCAA title in wrestling.

He was non stop on the mat and sounded like a Steam Engine as he plowed forward and took opponents apart. Played Football at ASU and then in the Pro's and is in the NFL Hall of Fame.

 

[jackwebster]

12 hours ago, ionel said:

Idk, never head of McReady.  

You're such a weirdo about typos. 

[11986]

no love for Kerry McCoy? After a lackluster freshman year at 190, we went 131-1 at heavy, won 88 matches in a row, 1-3-1 at NCAAs, Hodge winner. Beat Neal in finals for his 2nd title (granted Neal was a soph). 

not sure he's top 5 just surprised I haven't seen his name other than on the Hodge winner list that was posted. or maybe I missed it.

Dan Gable famously held out Wes Hand from wrestling McCoy in dual Hand's freshman year. Hand of course went on to be a finalist but at that point Gable said he hadn't earned the right to wrestle someone like McCoy. Of course, this was in a dual Iowa had locked up heading into the last match. PSU crowd was pissed. 

Edited May 31 by 11986

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

18 minutes ago, 11986 said:

no love for Kerry McCoy? After a lackluster freshman year at 190, we went 131-1 at heavy, won 88 matches in a row, 1-3-1 at NCAAs, Hodge winner. Beat Neal in finals for his 2nd title (granted Neal was a soph). 

not sure he's top 5 just surprised I haven't seen his name other than on the Hodge winner list that was posted. or maybe I missed it.

Dan Gable famously held out Wes Hand from wrestling McCoy in dual Hand's freshman year. Hand of course went on to be a finalist but at that point Gable said he hadn't earned the right to wrestle someone like McCoy. Of course, this was in a dual Iowa had locked up heading into the last match. PSU crowd was pissed. 

I thought he was also trying not to torpedo Hand's confidence?

[11986]

16 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

I thought he was also trying not to torpedo Hand's confidence?

maybe? I think he might have also been trying to piss him off. Gable was great at figuring his guys out and pushing the right buttons. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 minutes ago, 11986 said:

maybe? I think he might have also been trying to piss him off. Gable was great at figuring his guys out and pushing the right buttons. 

If I remember correctly, Gable wasn't even there.  He relayed the instructions to Zalesky.  This was covered in "A Season on the Mat," and my copy is in another state at the moment.

[Hammerlock3]

13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

If I remember correctly, Gable wasn't even there.  He relayed the instructions to Zalesky.  This was covered in "A Season on the Mat," and my copy is in another state at the moment.

I remember comments to that effect. Hand had potential and putting him up against mccoy to get embarrassed wasn't worth it. Also remember that being during gables hiatus. 

[11986]

15 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

If I remember correctly, Gable wasn't even there.  He relayed the instructions to Zalesky.  This was covered in "A Season on the Mat," and my copy is in another state at the moment.

love that book and was at the dual, not recalling whether Gable was there or not right this sec but you might be right with the hip issues he was having he might not have traveled for that one.