uncle bernard Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: no. you just said that black people can't afford $14 why should you have to pay for the right to vote? that goes for any race. it's ***ducked** up you have to too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 that's not the argument i was making. please try to stay on topic. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braves121 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: no. you just said that black people can't afford $14 Can you show me where I said black people can not afford $14? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, braves121 said: Can you show me where I said black people can not afford $14? So they CAN afford $14???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, braves121 said: So it doesn’t look like people are saying black people can’t figure out how to get an id like you state, but more so that having to pay to vote is not fair and accessible to the whole population of the state here TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, Husker_Du said: here "to the whole population of the state" is there a state with 100% black population I'm not aware of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: that's not the argument i was making. please try to stay on topic. that's fine. i still want to know why you should have to pay for the right to vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braves121 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Just now, Husker_Du said: here In anywhere in that post does it mean include “ i don’t think black people can afford $14”? It looks like i typed out that others actually don’t believe this is targeted towards African Americans and is instead target towards lower income people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braves121 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 23 minutes ago, Offthemat said: Wrong. There is no constitutional right to vote for anyone. There is no constitutional right to vote? What did the 15th amendment do? What did the 19th amendment do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 let's pivot a moment and put the fighting on pause.... anyone have a list of states where ID's are provided for free vs. having to pay for one? interested in learning how it varies and what (potentially) is most prevalent. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, uncle bernard said: The easiest way to solve this is that we do it by SSN. Every US citizen has a unique SSN. Every SSN over 18 years old should be automatically registered to vote. Republicans don't want to do this because it makes voting easier. There are probably 2 or 3 million people who are not citizens that legally have social security cards. Green card holders. Non-citizens that have permission to work here. Then of course there are fraudulent ones. A photo Id of some sort is best . having a social security number on it wouldn't hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul158 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: let's pivot a moment and put the fighting on pause.... anyone have a list of states where ID's are provided for free vs. having to pay for one? interested in learning how it varies and what (potentially) is most prevalent. I believe there are 30 states that require a drivers license w/photo or a state voter ID. North Carolina does not require anything. Edited April 29 by Paul158 missed a word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, braves121 said: There is no constitutional right to vote? What did the 15th amendment do? What did the 19th amendment do Those amendments do not give the right to vote to anyone, they merely give reasons for which the right to vote cannot be denied. You cannot find a sentence in the Constitution that says anyone has the right to vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 i don't think SSN would be horrible (provided the poll workers actually verified them in person at the polling station). i just want...idk...any measure to prevent fraud. frankly what we have now is amateur hour and primed for fraud. i have absolutely zero confidence in it. it's truly amazing we can send a man to the moon but the supposed nation that's most advanced and democratic can't figure out a safe frickin election system. 2 1 TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 In PA, in 2020 i walked in, said my name, they checked the rolls and told me to proceed. didn't ask for a shred of documentation. TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyBT Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) I completed my 2020 US census on my IPhone. That’s the census that’s used to distribute federal funding along with deciding how many representatives each state gets. If technology is safe enough to use for the census it seems it would be the same for voting. Not to mention how easy it was. We would also have real time data instead of waiting like we have to now. Edited April 29 by JimmyBT 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offthemat Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, Paul158 said: There are probably 2 or 3 million people who are not citizens that legally have social security cards. Green card holders. Non-citizens that have permission to work here. Then of course there are fraudulent ones. A photo Id of some sort is best . having a social security number on it wouldn't hurt. It is not wise to use your SS number anywhere, someone might copy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 minutes ago, Paul158 said: There are probably 2 or 3 million people who are not citizens that legally have social security cards. Green card holders. Non-citizens that have permission to work here. Then of course there are fraudulent ones. A photo Id of some sort is best . having a social security number on it wouldn't hurt. okay, then every citizen with an SSN is automatically registered. government should have easily accessible voting IDs free of charge for those without driver's licenses. Sign on to that and I think that's a good compromise that increases election integrity while making easier for everyone to do their civil duty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishbane Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: let's pivot a moment and put the fighting on pause.... anyone have a list of states where ID's are provided for free vs. having to pay for one? interested in learning how it varies and what (potentially) is most prevalent. I was looking through this table on ballotpedia - https://ballotpedia.org/Voter_identification_laws_by_state It seems like most states that "require photo ID" will either allow someone to vote without it or get a voter ID for free. Edited April 29 by fishbane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadkilla Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 1 hour ago, braves121 said: While I do not believe that voter id laws are targeted towards a race, i believe they are made to reduce the amount of people voting. Having to pay for the right to vote is not constitutional. However you do not so I will ask what do you think is the most reasonable price you have to pay to be able to vote? When you are down to your last $10 or however much money you have left and your choices are either feeding your children or voting what do you think 99% of people will do? You sound like AOC. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braves121 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 10 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: let's pivot a moment and put the fighting on pause.... anyone have a list of states where ID's are provided for free vs. having to pay for one? interested in learning how it varies and what (potentially) is most prevalent. Bro tries calling me racist and insists my posts insinuates it then when pressed about it changes subjects nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braves121 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 2 minutes ago, Threadkilla said: You sound like AOC. If AOC believes in the 24th amendment and doesn’t believe in poll taxes then sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle bernard Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 3 minutes ago, Husker_Du said: i don't think SSN would be horrible (provided the poll workers actually verified them in person at the polling station). i just want...idk...any measure to prevent fraud. frankly what we have now is amateur hour and primed for fraud. i have absolutely zero confidence in it. it's truly amazing we can send a man to the moon but the supposed nation that's most advanced and democratic can't figure out a safe frickin election system. there is some prevention baked into this. someone who wanted to vote as you would have to know that you're registered (or register for you) and also know you weren't going to show up. in PA, in order to register, you need a drivers licence # or SSN. if they don't register for you, they need to know that you won't show up too. if you show up twice, it gets flagged and investigated. so in order to pull this off they either need your license #/SSN and need you to not try to register yourself or vote too. then for it to matter at all, they would need to do this on a mass scale. that's an extensive operation and with the incessant investigations by republicans, you would think they would have found something by now right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husker_Du Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 4 minutes ago, braves121 said: Bro tries calling me racist and insists my posts insinuates it then when pressed about it changes subjects nice if that's not what you meant (or if i read it wrong), then i apologize. it certainly read oddly. like kamala saying people couldn't get to a kinko's TBD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braves121 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 (edited) Voter ID is fine as long as there is no charge for it. It might make sense to open in person voting to at least one whole week or a month with voter id so people can get the chance to vote. I’m sure having more days to vote would put less strain and stress on poll workers and counters Edited April 29 by braves121 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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