Are all the Pro-Palestine, anti Israel protests helping or hurting the Democrats?

[braves121]

5 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

If they feel it’s needed. Hell yes. It’s war.  

Big supporter of the patriot act i see

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[Dark Energy]

16 minutes ago, braves121 said:

So what aspect of national security is at risk with AJ operating from Israel? 

I don’t know.  I would suggest that an Israeli leader should not give details on this either.  What they do or do not know regarding activity of AJ employees is intelligence itself.  They don’t need to, not should they justify it.

That said, I recognize that this is opaque.  However, neither you nor I deserve info on this.   I served, I dealt with classified info.  Intelligence can be gleaned from startling ways.  One way to avoid, be silent.

[JimmyBT]

Just now, braves121 said:

That is true. Life was hard before the unions protested for workers rights and 40 hour work week. Life for African Americans was pretty hard before many people started protesting for the civil rights movement. Same with people protesting for same sex marriage, interracial marriage, women’s rights, but i get your point besides those few examples. protesting apparently never leads to change

You think all that happened because of protests. That’s cute

[JimmyBT]

1 minute ago, braves121 said:

Big supporter of the patriot act i see

I’ll. Let their gov decide what makes their country the safest. Not you. 

[braves121]

1 minute ago, JimmyBT said:

You think all that happened because of protests. That’s cute

Ok which ones did not happen because people protested in favor of it? What was the cause of the change happening then?

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[JimmyBT]

Just now, braves121 said:

Ok which ones did not happen because people protested in favor of it?

Protests weren’t the only or main reason. Good grief.  

[JimmyBT]

Israel should have stopped by now huh? I mean there’s protests going on all over 

[Dark Energy]

5 minutes ago, braves121 said:

Big supporter of the patriot act i see

Were you alive on Sept 11, 2001?  Did you experience it?  What were the odds of another similar or mass terrorism driven casualty event to follow in the next 10 years?  I thought damn high at the time.  
 

Didn’t happen.  How was this was prevented?  Intel. 
 

A government must protect it’s people.
 

That said, I’m not expert on the ins and outs and gov’t power may be being abused.  I don’t know.  So I support pressure from people like yourself to drive oversight and accountability.  

Edited May 6 by Dark Energy

[Hammerlock3]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

I have to run to something, but could you explain what you mean here? 

well I should say that I mean racist, not in the sense that it should disqualify them public discourse, but I do mean it in the literal sense, you could say something like "racialist" to take some of the teeth out of the expression but thats getting counterproductive.

To me the cohesion of the conversation hinged on the idea that 1) Jews are a race, which i don't believe, 2) races can and should be analyzed so general trends can noticed and situations like the war in Gaza can be diagnosed. If they had been examining the behavior of a group united by a common ideology, that would make sense to me, but they bounced back and forth between religious, secular, social ...etc. Jews as if grouping them together made sense in any meaningful way.

[JimmyBT]

3 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

Were you alive on Sept 11, 2001?  Did you experience it?  What were the odds of another similar or mass terrorism driven casualty event by B to follow in the next 10 years?  I thought damn high at the time.  Nope.  How this was prevented?  Intel. 
 

A government must protect it’s people.
 

That said, I’m not expert on the ins and outs and gov’t power may be being abused.  I don’t know.  So I support pressure from people like yourself to drive oversight and accountability.  

I remember grounding planes and military at our airports.   Security first 

[braves121]

7 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

Were you alive on Sept 11, 2001?  Did you experience it?  What were the odds of another similar or mass terrorism driven casualty event to follow in the next 10 years?  I thought damn high at the time.  
 

Didn’t happen.  How was this was prevented?  Intel. 
 

A government must protect it’s people.
 

That said, I’m not expert on the ins and outs and gov’t power may be being abused.  I don’t know.  So I support pressure from people like yourself to drive oversight and accountability.  

I was alive and experienced it. The patriot act signed away many of our freedoms that we will never get back. The whole FBI switched to counter terrorism from organized crime when 9/11 happened so that’s a big reason as well that it never happened again. The patriot act does not protect us any more than banning free press protects citizens. You are one of the first people on the right that I’ve seen actually defend the unconstitutional patriot act lol

[Dark Energy]

Just now, braves121 said:

I was alive and experienced it. The patriot act signed away many of our freedoms that we will never get back. The whole FBI switched to counter terrorism from organized crime when 9/11 happened so that’s a big reason as well that it never happened again. The patriot act does not protect us any more than banning free press protects citizens. You are one of the first people on the right that I’ve seen actually defend the unconstitutional patriot act lol

Who said I’m on the right?  Did you see the last part of my post?

[braves121]

5 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

I remember grounding planes and military at our airports.   Security first 

I remember having to take off my shoes at the airport for the rest of time  bc one time a guy tried to bring a bomb with his shoe. The TSA is all performance theatre anyway

[braves121]

Just now, Dark Energy said:

Who said I’m on the right?  Did you see the last part of my post?

Sorry meant to refer to @JimmyBT

[Dark Energy]

5 minutes ago, braves121 said:

I remember having to take off my shoes at the airport for the rest of time  bc one time a guy tried to bring a bomb with his shoe. The TSA is all performance theatre anyway

This reply makes you sound like a spoiled child.  Oh no, you need to take your shoes off.  Can you picture the situation where people are afraid to fly?  How impactful that would be?  You sound like someone that has never led a large organization and had to make hard decisions.  Shoes were proven to be an article of clothing that needed closer inspection.  So people made the hard decision to do so.  Oh no!

I could appreciate your points on the Patriot act but now I realize I was being generous.  Instead you are a professional whiner.  

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[ionel]

18 minutes ago, braves121 said:

That is true. Life was hard before the unions protested for workers rights and 40 hour work week. 

If only, I was a worker why didn't I get a 40 hour work week?  Just think what I could've done in all that spare time.  

[braves121]

Just now, Dark Energy said:

This reply makes you sound like a spoiled child.  Oh no, you need to take your shoes off.  Can you picture the situation where people are afraid to fly?  How impactful that would be?  You sound like someone that has never lead a large organization and had to make hard decisions.  Shoes were proven to be an article of clothing that needed closer inspection.  So people made the hard decision to do so.  Oh no!

I could appreciate your points on the Patriot act but now I realize I was being generous.  Instead you are a professional whiner.  

It’s more of a point that doing one little thing to make people feel better doesn’t do anything because it’s not an actual risk. How many attacks a year does the TSA identify or stop?

[braves121]

Just now, ionel said:

If only, I was a worker why didn't I get a 40 hour work week?  Just think what I could've done in all that spare time.  

You do. Your full time work week is 40 hours and thankfully to union protests in the past you get overtime for over 40 hours worked good job!

[Dark Energy]

1 minute ago, braves121 said:

It’s more of a point that doing one little thing to make people feel better doesn’t do anything because it’s not an actual risk. How many attacks a year does the TSA identify or stop?

How often has the presence of police prevented a crime?  Give me a number.  If you can’t … well … I guess that means we should eliminate police.  
 

How many invasions did National militaries prevent.  
 

comical.

[Dark Energy]

2 minutes ago, braves121 said:

It’s more of a point that doing one little thing to make people feel better doesn’t do anything because it’s not an actual risk. How many attacks a year does the TSA identify or stop?

How can you say it is not an actual risk?  Please prove why it is not. 

[Dark Energy]

Your last few posts get across your intelligence on the matter.  I’m done.  Peace.

[braves121]

3 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

How can you say it is not an actual risk?  Please prove why it is not. 

Because literally no one has ever done it or tried again. It’s hard to make an argument that the TSA protects us and actually finds risks and suspicious items because there are several Americans in prison in Turks and Caicos right now because TSA didn’t find the bullets they had in their luggage lol

[braves121]

6 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

How often has the presence of police prevented a crime?  Give me a number.  If you can’t … well … I guess that means we should eliminate police.  
 

How many invasions did National militaries prevent.  
 

comical.

I’m not talking about deterrence. I’m saying like quantity how many people or terroirs attacks the TSA identified and stopped

[braves121]

59 minutes ago, JimmyBT said:

Actually it’s taking away their guns 

“Take away the guns  first, go through due process second” - Donald J Trump 

[ionel]

12 minutes ago, braves121 said:

You do. Your full time work week is 40 hours and thankfully to union protests in the past you get overtime for over 40 hours worked good job!

No, some stuff just can't be done in 40 hours and no overtime pay.