2024 OTT Day 1 Session 2 thread

[bnwtwg]

According to Track we are going down to 3 mats. Lots of fireworks tonight!

https://www.trackwrestling.com/tw/opentournaments/VerifyPassword.jsp?tournamentId=853157132

 

[Ched64]

I asked this on the Session 1 thread but why are Mendez wrestling their quarterfinal match tonight rather than in the previous session when all the others were.  Are there any other weight classes here that is happening? Seems unbelievably to whoever wins that match.

[Ched64]

Sorry unbelievably UNFAIR to….

[Michael]

3 minutes ago, Ched64 said:

I asked this on the Session 1 thread but why are Mendez wrestling their quarterfinal match tonight rather than in the previous session when all the others were.  Are there any other weight classes here that is happening? Seems unbelievably to whoever wins that match.

Hidlay and Marsteller at 86 kgs as well. Winner will have to wrestle a fresh Zahid Valencia.

[pokemonster]

8 minutes ago, Michael said:

Hidlay and Marsteller at 86 kgs as well. Winner will have to wrestle a fresh Zahid Valencia.

Yeah, those bottom half guys have a major disadvantage. 

[Spladle08]

Yeah, those bottom half guys have a major disadvantage. 

I agree at 65kg but here.... I like Fartsmeller over Zahid by 4

[nhs67]

Perhaps they should have tried to win a medal at a non-Olympic weight last year.

[bnwtwg]

7 minutes ago, Spladle08 said:

9 minutes ago, pokemonster said:

Yeah, those bottom half guys have a major disadvantage. 

I agree at 65kg but here.... I like Fartsmeller over Zahid by 4

Zahid typically lays it on thick to the firehydrant type guys and punishes their short arms on shots. Second period won't be an issue - Downey lost so there is lots of extra cold spray for all those second period stoppages

[The Kid]

4 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Perhaps they should have tried to win a medal at a non-Olympic weight last year.

As far as 65kg goes,  no one qualified the weight for the Olympics.  

Why should the 71 kg guy get a bye to the semis for not dropping down to actually qualify the weight class? 

It makes sense for the world medalists at the Olympic weights sitting out until the best of 3 series.  

However, ehy should a guy get a bye to the semis in a weight class he didn't qualify or even wrestle in?

[Cowboy08]

are semi-final rounds tonight?  

[bnwtwg]

Just now, Cowboy08 said:

are semi-final rounds tonight?  

Yes, along with semi-feeders for brackets with non-olympic medalists sitting in the semis

 

[nhs67]

2 minutes ago, The Kid said:

As far as 65kg goes,  no one qualified the weight for the Olympics.  

Why should the 71 kg guy get a bye to the semis for not dropping down to actually qualify the weight class? 

It makes sense for the world medalists at the Olympic weights sitting out until the best of 3 series.  

However, ehy should a guy get a bye to the semis in a weight class he didn't qualify or even wrestle in?

The criteria has been the same for eight years now.

They won a medal at a weight that the IOC doesn't allow, not UWW.

USAW is respecting UWW in this regard.

[The Kid]

Yes, they've done it for eight years.

How many years haven't they done it this way? 

 

[JuanMogen]

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care who won a medal and when. This is 2024. Everybody should be put in one bracket and fight it out. I want a first round David Taylor vs Pat Downey match, damnit.

[Ched64]

28 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Perhaps they should have tried to win a medal at a non-Olympic weight last year.

Did the 4 seed in the top of the bracket win one?

[Ched64]

I don’t have any issue with returning medalists getting deference. I do have an issue with the lack of logic in creating a structure where all the other competitors are not wrestling their quarters in the same session.  You do see how that is a disadvantage to the four guys involved relative to their peers who were also going through challenge tourney from the beginning no?

[Dogbone]

I don't think anyone is complaining that the non Olympic weights get into the semis.   It's the unbalanced bracket that disadvantages the 2 and 3 seeds when we should be trying to find our best rep.   Then to make them have an extra match before wrestling the semi match while the 4 seed only has one match doesn't make sense.

The world medalist should be the 1 seed with a bye to the semis and get the 4/5 winner in that semi.  We can give a guy an advantage without creating a disadvantage for guys who have also earned the right to compete for the Olympic Spot.

[Spladle08]

So do we believe Jonathon loses to Mendez after JM looked solid against Green and Johnny looked a lil sus. Or will this be a prime John vs a College kid. 

Im going to say........ Mendez somehow gets it done and blows my mind 

[Spladle08]

Just now, Spladle08 said:

So do we believe Jonathon loses to Mendez after JM looked solid against Green and Johnny looked a lil sus. Or will this be a prime John vs a College kid. 

Im going to say........ Mendez somehow gets it done and blows my mind 

Alirez still wins the spot and places at last chance. The new king of 65kg (but also maybe not)

[Caveira]

Or………..

we could totally debate the semi final imbalance in an infinite loop until we’re all dead.  

[bnwtwg]

Just now, Caveira said:

Or………..

we could totally debate the semi final imbalance in an infinite loop until we’re all dead.  

Nah. Just for 48 more minutes until the action starts and then again immediately after tonight's sessions when the returning world medalists won their matches.

[Spladle08]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Or………..

we could totally debate the semi final imbalance in an infinite loop until we’re all dead.  

Sorry I've been off most of the day, what weights are we the most upset about?

[4awrestler]

Has the situation happened in an Olympic year where say a 61kg world medalist and the 70 kg medalist ended up at 65kg for the Olympic year? How would they handle that bracket? Would both get a bye to the semis?


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[Spladle08]

For what it's worth BTW, I don't think anyone should be allowed to start in the best of 3. 
I think semis for all returning medalist seems OK by me, but to start in the best of 3, for the Olympics. 
Me no likey. 
I think the semis thing is big for Zain Train, but less for ZV. 

[Spladle08]

I was going to go to the gym and miss the semis but my car wont start and the wife is gone.... its gotta be a sign.
Anyone predicting any upsets. Or is it chalk city up in this piece.