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hmmm…seems a bit premature to write off a true freshman who has an outrageous training partner coming into the room next season don’t you think?

it is very common in my area for kids who are struggling academically and late bloomers to repeat 7th grade when changing from public to private schools to get them back on track. Also, these days, kids born after September are often held back from starting Kindergarten so they don’t have to be the youngest kids in their class or because they aren’t quite ready to make the jump. To call these kids cheaters seems a bit over the top. I don’t know Miller’s specifics but someone said he is an October birthday so it isn’t even a real advantage over the early year birthdays anyways.

he is a unique talent…unteachable

love kyle but the issue is lack of offense…dake doesnt solve that

agreed but they did beat a bunch of highly seeded kids…the Larkins for example who also got beat up

and yianni’s little bro, 4 time nys champ being punked for four years isn’t a great thing either

yes

yes but having your best wrestlers taken out by double digit seeds screams for course correction

Short answer: yes, it was tough to watch

i love psu and how they train their kids…BUT…as a wrestling fan are you not excited to see another strong program arise to challenge them?

my point was the stoppage hurt PJ doubly…had he been given the chance with a cradle in, he would have likely completed a legit takedown…at the time it was called, he had not…the premature call unfairly put them both on their feet…but i cant think of a way to do it more fairly…can you?

141…jaxon joy just got hit by a swarm…as a friend texted me…”great idea to leave the eiwa, they look totally overmatched”…what is the answer? two 2 seeds, one 3 seed and hoping for one seventh place finish…they have the talent but what is happening there…mike grey?

He didnt hve the takedown at the time it was called…definite..but he got screwed because he likely would have gotten it had they let it continue….not black and white…but not sure what the right thing to do was upon review…not a takedown but likely would have been if they let action continue…shit happens..need to regroup…he didn’t

cael spoke to that in the post game…always love his interviews but there will always be that gap between the perfect and the good and i don’t know how you can solve it

Their premature call of the takedown was entirely unfair for the reason stated but it was not a takedown when called. Tough one but actually was the “right” call in the moment…unfortuntely, it put both wrestlers back on their feet when pj had an overwhelming advantage when first incorrectly called..what rule change could solve that riddle.

Nice one!

That aged very well. Agree with your point about not seeming right post World but he was on a helluva run there. Just seems like both he and Yiannis opponents were extremely well prepared. Both PJ and Jx had near perfect counters ready to go.

Mike Grey also had 3:50 CT on his email this week

hmmm…that was certainly not my intention…i was merely trying to point out the complexity of all the info packed into that article…my apologies if that is how it came across

No…but Zach Ryder would have been…could it have been a factor in his decision to jump programs with the Rocco signing the final straw? His family has been incredibly closed mouthed on his reasoning and he was there for two years. Given the actions described, the youngest guy in the room would likely be a target for hazing more than anyone. Also, was Kasak’s presence on the security video just random? The one gal said that Star and a practice partner were both present on one occasion of questionable behavior. Lots to unwrap here.

Let me rephrase…none of the OSU kids would have gotten into West Point.

I would be disappointed if the main reason these kids went to West Point was to wrestle. And I am not sure most of the kids who wrestle for OSU could have gotten into West Point though I would bet a large amount that every kid that is wrestling for West Point would have gotten academic scholarship money to go to OSU. And will likely manage the OSU kids when they all end up in the real world. What a silly train of thought!

Interesting… am curious whether the Northeast was different from the rest of the country or the West was…my guess is that you were an outlier but I certainly could be wrong…there were few national tourneys at that time and everything was regionalized..wold be curious if iowa, ohio and penn were more freestyle than folk in youth tourneys in the 70’s and 80’s

When did you start wrestling? I started in 1975 and virtually every peewee tournament we went to was folkstyle. It wasn’t until joe demeo started his three-style club that greco and freestyle appeared on the scene but it was enough of an outlier that I remember it to this day. His ATWA club became a dominant force not just in US Greco but internationally as well.

Maybe he could have been or maybe not…he beat Gino but certainly didn’t dominate him…has he wrestled any of those guys since? In wrestling, you never know who is THE guy until they actually do it…his resume is very thin imo…he is a two time ncaa champ and world gold medalist which was won with a terrific comeback…that is not GOAT material by many years and many tough matches…that is potential yes but the road is littered with such people