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16 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I would have to think Doucet would consider entering the portal.  He can do so because of getting a new coach recently - and would likely be picked up by a major team.  He's not exciting, but he's a R12 caliber guy.

Maybe Missouri? My buddy wrestled with Konner's dad in college

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Posted
27 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

I would have to think Doucet would consider entering the portal.  He can do so because of getting a new coach recently - and would likely be picked up by a major team.  He's not exciting, but he's a R12 caliber guy.

on flow they had mentioned that the portal window opened when John retired rather than the new hiring, I'm not sure if that is definitive but thats what they seemed to think.

Posted

not a huge fan of the get unless they get Alirez as well just don't think they have enough fire power to go top 2 but it is awesome for Merrill training wise.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

If OKST gets Alirez - they are right there with Penn State which is a miraculous transformation

Wait till they also add Mesenbrink & Haines.  

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2BPE 11/17/24 SMC

Posted
23 hours ago, flyingcement said:

I heard the same elsewhere - may 20th

wait ... when?

2BPE 11/17/24 SMC

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

You're joking right?

Makes sense.  Gives OSU 5 NCs and PSU only 1 maybe 2.  Also heard OSU will be replacing Bullet with a unicorn.  It'd be magic.  🤠

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2BPE 11/17/24 SMC

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, ionel said:

Makes sense.  Gives OSU 5 NCs and PSU only 1 maybe 2.  Also heard OSU will be replacing Bullet with a unicorn.  It'd be magic. 

There's nothing like Sunday afternoon drinking 

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Posted
1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

There's nothing like Sunday afternoon drinking 

🍻 

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2BPE 11/17/24 SMC

Posted
On 5/13/2024 at 1:53 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

One more thing from The Athletic article this morning.

Pay to play is allowed. We all need to wrap our heads around that. While the rule originally banned any pay to play arrangements in February of this year a Tennessee federal court issued a temporary injunction on the NCAA, preventing them from enforcing that part of the rule. That injunction applies in every state. Until that injunction is lifted, collectives and individual boosters can use NIL as an inducement for enrollment or transfer.

Talk about burying the lede!

Posted

No one is beating psu next year.

The battle is for 2nd .

Hopefully that changes. It will make more interesting 

 

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Posted
21 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

SAKAMOTO Rin | United World Wrestling (uww.org)

not sure how relevant this is but this fella from Japan will be attending on Okie states team I guess he moved to Stillwater last year. 

FWIW, at the U20 event where those 3 matches are from, Bouzakis teched the Macedonian that pinned Sakamoto. Bouzakis took bronze and the Macedonian was 5th.

Posted
8 minutes ago, maligned said:

FWIW, at the U20 event where those 3 matches are from, Bouzakis teched the Macedonian that pinned Sakamoto. Bouzakis took bronze and the Macedonian was 5th.

I saw that, I would recommend watching his matches hes super super dynamic on his feet, The macedonian was baiting a single so he could sit corner and ended up cradling him I am going to watch his other matches to see if he continues to do that or if it was a scout. Sakamoto absolutely melted the Azerbaijani which was impressive. He's very good hip to hip with an over hook and has a nice knee pick as well as low single and slide bye.

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Weight WS Rank Athlete 2024-25 Year Hometown Transferring From Transferring To
197 1 Massoma Endene Junior Arlington, TX Wartburg  
197 2 Jacob Cardenas Graduate Kearny, NJ Cornell Michigan
285 2 Wyatt Hendrickson Graduate Newton, KS Air Force Oklahoma State
141 3 Andrew Alirez Graduate Greeley, CO Northern Colorado  
149 3 Kyle Parco Graduate Danville, CA Arizona State  
174 3 Dean Hamiti Senior Joliet, IL Wisconsin Oklahoma State
285 5 Cohlton Schultz Graduate Parker, CO Arizona State Will not transfer
174 6 Lennox Wolak Graduate Columbus, OH Columbia Virginia Tech
285 7 Yaraslau Slavikouski Graduate Rechitsa, BY Rutgers Will not transfer
165 7 Cam Amine Graduate Brighton, MI Michigan  
165 8 Terrell Barraclough Graduate Kaysville, OH Penn State  
157 10 Tommy Askey Graduate Pine Bush, NY App State Minnesota
165 10 Caleb Fish Graduate Eaton Rapids, MI Michigan State Oklahoma State
133 11 Connor McGonagle Graduate Danville, NH Lehigh Virginia Tech
174 13 Gaven Sax Graduate St. Robert, MO NDSU Oklahoma
141 13 Cleveland Belton Graduate Corona, CA Oregon State Oklahoma
157 15 Chase Saldate Senior Gilroy, CA Michigan State Michigan
125 17 Cooper Flynn Junior Seymour, TN Virginia Tech Minnesota
174 17 Clayton Whiting Sophomore Oconto Falls, WI Missouri Minnesota
285 17 Dorian Crosby Graduate Erie, PA Bucknell Gannon
141 20 Isaiah Powe Sophomore Mount Olive, AL Chattanooga  
133 21 Ethan Oakley Junior Trinity, NC App State North Carolina
184 21 Brock Delsignore Junior Ballston Lake, NY NC State Little Rock
197 22 Evan Bockman Graduate Anchorage, AK Utah Valley Iowa State
133 24 Chris Cannon Graduate Oceanport, NJ Michigan  
285 24 Seth Nitzel Senior Stilwell, FL Missouri  
165 24 Connor Brady Graduate Powell, OH Virginia Tech Will not transfer
149 26 Jaivon Jones Graduate Shaker Heights, OH Northern Illinois Little Rock
174 26 Josh Ogunsanya Graduate River Forest, IL Columbia North Carolina
165 26 Kyle Mosher Graduate Rockville Centre, NY Columbia  
125 27 Ramazan Attasauov Junior Nalchik, RU Iowa State Illinois
157 30 Jason Kraisser Graduate Ellicott City, MD Iowa State Illinois
157 31 Jared Hill Junior Broken Arrow, OK Oklahoma  
184 32 Maximus Hale Graduate West Chester, PA Penn  
149 32 Sammy Alvarez Graduate Garfield, NJ Oklahoma State Rider
285 33 Devon Dawson Senior Brooklyn Park, MN NDSU  
125 34 Colton Camacho Graduate Delmont, PA Pitt Edinboro
133 34 Sydney Flores Graduate West Covina, CA Air Force  
157 34 Clayton Ulrey Graduate Grantville, PA Virginia Tech Northern Colorado
174 35 Gerrit Nijenhuis Graduate Canonsburg, PA Oklahoma  
125 37 Nick Babin Graduate Westwood, NJ Columbia Pitt
133 37 Kyle Burwick Graduate Hettinger, ND Nebraska NDSU
157 37 Nick Stampoulos Sophomore Newark, NJ Buffalo Lock Haven
197 37 Spencer Mooberry Junior Osage, IA NDSU Northern Illinois
133 38 Angelo Rini Senior Mayfield Heights, OH Columbia Indiana
184 38 Rylan Rogers Sophomore Coeur d'Alene, ID Michigan Lehigh
165 39 Charlie Darracott Graduate Flowery Branch, GA Stanford  
285 39 Sam Mitchell Graduate Marshfield, WI Buffalo Wyoming
157 41 Brock McMillen Junior Coalport, PA Pitt  
149 42 Nathan Higley Sophomore Sullivan County, PA George Mason  
285 44 Nolan Neves Sophomore Sidney, OH Columbia North Carolina
285 46 Peter Ming Graduate Elk Grove, CA Stanford  
125 46 Markel Baker Sophomore Freeport, IL George Mason Northern Illinois
197 47 Carter Blough Sophomore Lowell, MI Michigan State  
184 48 James Lledo Graduate Lower Merrion, PA Pitt Lock Haven
125 49 Evan Tallmadge Freshman Brick NJ Navy Pitt
133 50 Logan Frazier Freshman Crown Point, IN Virginia Tech Indiana
149 54 Justin Rivera Graduate Orlando, FL Campbell  
184 55 Chase Kranitz Sophomore Irwin, PA Buffalo Pitt
165 57 Carter Schubert Freshman Marion, NY Cal Baptist Oklahoma
157 58 Jeremy Paradice Sophomore Moultrie, GA Chattanooga  
174 59 Jay Nivison Graduate Davison, MI Buffalo Michigan State
285 60 Xavier Doolin Junior Kansas City, MO Northern Colorado Morgan State
285 61 Ryan Boersma Sophomore Channahon, IL Missouri North Carolina
125 61 Carlos Negrete Jr. Junior Fresno, CA NDSU  
133 63 Fernando Barreto Sophomore Pomona, CA NDSU Oklahoma
141 63 Job Greenwood Junior Fort Collins, CO Wyoming  
157 63 Carter Martinson Sophomore Altoona, IA Iowa Central College
197 63 Billy Janzer Junior Elk Township, NJ Rutgers  
141 64 Sam Ewing Freshman Pleasant Hills, MO Buffalo Nebraska
165 65 Caden Dobbins Freshman Dallastown, PA Bloomsburg  
184 65 Connor Strong Senior Bel Air, MD Penn Chatanooga
133 66 Tommy Maddox Graduate Washingtonville, NY Buffalo West Virginia
157 68 Danny Nini Sophomore Orlando, FL North Carolina Illinois
125 69 Tristan Daugherty Graduate Peoria, IL Buffalo  
165 71 Hunter Mays Sophomore Farmingdale, NJ Lehigh  
125 71 Dominic Chavez Junior Arlington, TX Presbyterian Texas Wesleyan
184 71 Devin Wasley Sophomore Hammond, WI Minnesota NDSU
174 72 Sean Harman Graduate West Linn, OR Missouri Oregon State
174 73 Darrien Roberts Graduate Bethlehem, PA Oklahoma Morgan State
197 73 Blake Schaffer Junior Canton, OH Kent State  
125 75 Will VomBaur Graduate Windsor, CO Northern Colorado  
141 77 Benjamin Lunn Graduate Shakopee, MN Minnesota SIUE
184 79 Branson Britten Junior Amarillo, TX Northern Colorado Little Rock
184 80 Guiseppe Hoose Graduate Lakewood, NY Oklahoma  
149 81 Joel Jesuroga Sophomore Pleasant Hill, IA Iowa Cal Poly
285 83 Billy Brosko Freshman Newtown Square, PA Drexel  
125 85 Zachary Espalin Junior GIlbert, AZ Navy  
165 85 Luke Odom Graduate Edwardsville, IL Illinois SIUE
125 85 Tristan Mascarenas Graduate Rio Rancho, NM Arizona State  
285 87 Andrew Blackburn-Forst Sophomore Lockport, IL Northern Colorado NDSU
174 87 Patrick Jackson Freshman Harper's Ferry, WV Lock Haven Gannon
197 87 Brad Morrison Junior Landisburg, PA Lock Haven  
149 88 Kaleb Burgess Junior Mohawk, NY Buffalo  
141 89 Caleb Brooks Graduate Canal Winchester, OH Buffalo Glenville State
149 91 Ty Linsenbigler Junior Landisville, PA Lock Haven  
197 91 Lathan Duda Junior Broken Bow, NE NDSU  
157 92 Nick Delp Graduate New Kensington, PA Bucknell  
157 92 Carson Miller Freshman Granville, OH Pitt  
165 94 Bryce Sanderlin Graduate Chesapeake, VA Davidson  
174 94 Carter Schmidt Graduate Norwalk, IA Iowa State  
157 95 Landon Johnson Sophomore Owatonna, MN NDSU  
149 99 Ryan Michaels Graduate McKeesport, PA Pitt Edinboro
197 99 Ruben Karapetyan Freshman Bethesda, MD George Mason  
285 100 Gage Cook Sophomore Granger, WA Army  
125 103 Cole Hunt Sophomore Jacksonville, NC North Carolina Montavello
165 105 Mateo de la Pena Sophomore Federal Way, WA Cal Baptist  
285 105 Lonnell Owens-Pabon Sophomore Crofton, MD Buffalo  
149 107 Gabe Onorato Junior Gibbstown, NJ Drexel Glenville State
174 107 Zachary Wells Graduate Sterling Heights, IM Presbyterian  
125 108 Logan Sallot Freshman Erie, PA Lock Haven Gannon
149 108 Bretli Reyna Junior Homestead, FL Iowa  
125 109 Aedyn Concepcion Senior Anchorage, AK Gardner-Webb  
157 111 Tyler Badgett Graduate San Diego, CA Pitt  
174 112 Braden Welch Sophomore Ashland, OH App State  
149 113 Jack Nies Graduate Ocean, NJ American  
125 114 Max Elton Sophomore Hammonton, NJ Buffalo Lock Haven
133 114 Kyle Rowan Graduate Perry, OH Stanford  
165 116 Andrew Huddleston Graduate Hallsville, MO Iowa State Maryville University
165 116 Hunter Shaut Graduate Mohawk, NY Buffalo  
197 118 Coen Grimm Freshman Wadsworth, OH Buffalo  
157 119 David Berkovich Graduate Brooklyn, NY Columbia  
141 119 Chris Rivera Graduate Graduate Campbell  
133 119 Gio Diaz Graduate Valparaiso, IN Franklin & Marshall  
125 120 Caleb Coyle Junior Omaha, NE Oregon State Nebraska-Kearney
133 121 TJ England Graduate Southampton, PA Clarion  
133 122 Korbin Shepherd Junior Blue Springs, MO Missouri Cal Poly
197 123 Cameo Blankenship Graduate McRae, GA Davidson  
184 124 Damen Pape Junior Hastings, NE Northern Colorado Northern State
157 126 Lorenzo Rajaonarivelo Graduate Arlington, VA George Mason Glenville State
174 127 Ryan Bolletino Graduate Haddonfield, NJ Sacred Heart  
157 128 Paolo Salminen Freshman Billings, MT Wyoming  
165 131 Brant Whitaker Junior Boonville, MO Missouri Wyoming
197 131 Michael Baker Graduate Beavercreek, OH Columbia NDSU
197 136 Mike Tal-Shahar Sophomore Delray Beach, FL Wisconsin  
125 138 Wyatt Skebba Freshman Hortonville, WI Central Michigan Wisconsin
157 139 Collin McCorkle Junior Wexford, PA Pitt  
141 141 Walker Bents Sophomore Glenwood, MN NDSU Minnesota St. - Mankato
285 141 Max Acciardi Freshman Woodcliff Lake, NJ Cal Baptist  
141 143 Felix Lettini Sophomore Clark, NJ Wisconsin  
174 144 Hayden Pummel Junior Indian Lake, OH Northern Illinois Glenville State
149 144 Theo Cha Graduate Anchorage, AK Minnesota  
184 145 Kodiak Stephens Junior Arnold, CA Oregon State  
125 145 Jacob Houpt Freshman Canonsburg, PA Kent State Seton Hill
149 149 Cade Balestrini Graduate Sunbury, PA Bloomsburg  
141 151 Cam Soda Junior Burlington, MA Edinboro  
157 152 Kaiden Wagner Sophomore Lewisburg, PA Lock Haven Lycoming
125 153 Ariel Waldman Freshman Hewlett, NY LIU  
141 155 Sean Solis Sophomore Fountain Valley, CA NDSU Mary
197 155 Caleb Beaty Freshman Clayton, NC American  
174 157 Aidan Faria Junior Cumberland, RI Kent State  
133 157 Matt Ellis Sophomore Waynesville, OH Kent State  
141 157 Nathan Aguilar Junior Gilroy, CA Oregon State  
184 158 Anthony DeRosa Junior MIlford, NJ Bloomsburg  
174 158 Nolen Zeigler Sophomore Loysville, PA Bloomsburg  
133 158 Santino Sanchez Sophomore Whittier, CA CSU Bakersfield  
285 158 James Bankston Freshman Durham, NC App State  
174 162 Mason Gode Junior Browerville, MN NDSU  
133 162 Braxton Appello Sophomore Easton, PA Ohio State  
149 163 Dalton Blankenship Senior Aragon, GA Davidson  
133 163 Andrew Chambal Junior Davison, MI Michigan State  
165 164 Carson Martinson Sophomore Altoona, IA Iowa Central College
133 164 Cole French Senior Fulton, NY Buffalo  
133 168 Dominic DiTomasso Sophomore Hahira, GA Chattanooga  
125 169 Zachary Jacaruso Freshman Milford, PA George Mason  
125 170 Jacob Joyce Freshman Ponaganset, RI Stanford Brown
133 171 Makhare Rogers Freshman West Henrietta, NY Morgan State  
149 174 Ty Cymmerman Senior Latrobe, PA Pitt  
125 174 Keegan Schlabach Freshman Lagrange, IN Clarion Manchester
174 174 Mitchell Broskie Sophomore Dublin, OH Kent State  
149 177 Chandler Ho Junior DuBois, PA Clarion  
141 180 Thomas Fierro Junior South Plainfield, NJ Morgan State  
149 181 Louden Stradling Freshman Gaylord, MI Central Michigan  
165 182 Cole Zoller Graduate Medford, OR Oregon State  
141 184 Freddy Junko Graduate Wexford, PA VMI  
165 184 Cam Adams Freshman Howell, MI Central Michigan  
133 185 Amantee Mills Freshman Fort Pierce, FL NDSU  
141 185 Peyton Moore Sophomore Fulton, MO Missouri NDSU
285 186 Carson Hatch Senior Hughson, CA CSU Bakersfield  
285 186 Zach Evans Freshman Chambersburg, PA Buffalo  
149 187 Noah Roulo Senior Petersburg, VA VMI  
157 187 Ethan Stiles Freshman Chicago, IL Nebraska Oregon State
133 190 Drew Cooper Freshman Omaha, NE Nebraska  
133 194 Cheaney Schoeff Freshman Avon, IN Indiana Edinboro
149 197 Trae Thilmony Sophomore Trout Creek, MT NDSU Mary
141 204 Drew Woodley Graduate Northfield, MN Iowa State Grandview
141 212 Corey Camden Sophomore Conroe, TX Arizona State  
184 216 Mahkyi Smith Freshman Lehi, UT Cal Baptist  
157 217 Brayden Shelton Freshman Centralia, MO Northern Illinois  
197 218 Macray Klohs Freshman Plymouth, MN NDSU  
141 220 Hunter Sloan Freshman Doylestown, PA Bucknell  
157 220 Jamisen Colongione Sophomore Sayerville, NY LIU  
197 225 Niccolo Colucci Junior Summit, NJ Rutgers  
197 226 Brett Wittman Senior Appleton, WI Clarion  
157 228 Frankie McNeary Sophomore Cliffside Park, NJ Rider  
157 228 Aidan Hernandez Freshman Saint Charles, MO Arizona State  
157 230 Aiden Smith Sophomore Brighton, MI Northern Illinois Adrian
184 231 Ryan Stein Sophomore Latham, NY Chattanooga  
149 231 Cade White Freshman Meridian, ID Oregon State Providence (Mont)
157 236 Dagen Condomitti Freshman Northampton, PA Oregon State Rutgers
149 238 Hunter Hockensmith Graduate Spofford, NH Franklin & Marshall  
149 242 Tanner Gerber Sophomore Cameron, WI NDSU  
165 265 Miles Bassett Graduate St. Louis, MO Bucknell  
165 265 Zane Licht Freshman Prairie du Sac, WI NDSU Wartburg
285 267 PJ Casale Sophomore Little Falls, NJ Rutgers  
165 267 Griffin Ray Freshman Hillsboro, MO Nebraska SIUE
165 271 Sam Beckett Sophomore Harleysville, PA Stanford  
165 272 Jack Pickersgill Freshman Holtsville, NY LIU Cortland State
133 276 Lane Aikey Sophomore Bald Eagle, PA Edinboro  
165 276 Brady Conlin Freshman Williamstown, NJ Rider  
174 283 Jacob Yawn Graduate Shreveport, LA Cornell  
133 285 Spencer Von Savoye Freshman Oakdale, CA Cal Baptist  
174 292 Tyler Martinez Freshman Plano, IL Northern Illinois  
285 297 Tyler Stewart Sophomore Woodbridge, VA Morgan State Virginia Tech
141 298 Brayden Sonnentag Freshman Boyd, WI Wyoming Minnesota St. - Mankato
141 299 Toby Billerman Freshman Indianapolis, IN SIUE  
174 301 Ryder Dearborn Freshman Santee, CA CSU Bakersfield  
141 306 Tanner Frothinger Freshman Eagle, ID Nebraska Utah Valley
141 307 Kaiser Simpson Freshman Cushing, OK Cal Baptist  
141 308 Dy'Vaire Van Dyke Freshman Fairlawn, MI Michigan State  
157 310 Gavynn Carpenter Freshman Hallsville, MO Northern Illinois  
157 314 Michael Duggan Freshman Boiling Springs, PA Bloomsburg  
141 315 Eyan Chavez Sophomore Antonito, CO Northern Colorado  
149 352 Pedro Velazquez Junior Victoria, MN NDSU  
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Posted
20 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

Is he even being courted? 

Where would you slide him in?


1    SR    Carter Starocci    
2    SR    Stephen Buchanan    
3    SR    Jacob Cardenas   
4    SR    Rocky Elam   
5    SO    Stephen Little    
6    SR    Isaiah Salazar    
7    SR    Michael Beard
8    JR    Silas Allred    
9    SR    Zac Braunagel    
10    SO    Joey Novak
11    SR    Andy Smith    
12    SR    Zach Glazier    
13    SR    Nick Stemmet    
14    SR    Luke Stout    
15    JR    Jaxon Smith    
16    JR    John Poznanski   
17    SO    Mac Stout    
18    SR    Max Shaw    
19    SO    Wyatt Voelker   
20    SO    Luke Geog    
21    SR    Luke Surber   
22    SO    Justin Rademacher    
23    SR    Evan Bockman    
24    SR    Levi Hopkins    

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Posted
Just now, MPhillips said:

Where would you slide him in?


1    SR    Carter Starocci    
2    SR    Stephen Buchanan    
3    SR    Jacob Cardenas   
4    SR    Rocky Elam   
5    SO    Stephen Little    
6    SR    Isaiah Salazar    
7    SR    Michael Beard
8    JR    Silas Allred    
9    SR    Zac Braunagel    
10    SO    Joey Novak
11    SR    Andy Smith    
12    SR    Zach Glazier    
13    SR    Nick Stemmet    
14    SR    Luke Stout    
15    JR    Jaxon Smith    
16    JR    John Poznanski   
17    SO    Mac Stout    
18    SR    Max Shaw    
19    SO    Wyatt Voelker   
20    SO    Luke Geog    
21    SR    Luke Surber   
22    SO    Justin Rademacher    
23    SR    Evan Bockman    
24    SR    Levi Hopkins    

I thin that list is a bit off in terms of projections, but Max Shaw is a good comparison for the caliber of wrestler I thought Endene might be as he translates to D1 for his first year.  But he has another year of eligibility after 2025, so he's a guy that could jump another level with continued exposure to D1

Posted
1 minute ago, flyingcement said:

I thin that list is a bit off in terms of projections

I wouldn't disagree. Just a quick copy/paste from the new FLO ranks...

3 minutes ago, flyingcement said:

he's a guy that could jump another level with continued exposure to D1

I've only watched a few matches. I didn't see it, but I'll defer to the guarantee...:classic_smile:

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Posted
8 hours ago, flyingcement said:

The courtship of Massoma Endene has gotten barely any coverage.  Is he even being courted?  Seems like a he would be a solid get at 197 for any mid level team

I hope he doesn't go the Vasbinder route and go to a mid-level team that has him migrate to a different weight than is optimal for him.  Maybe a different weight is optimal, but Vasbinder (Michigan State/McKendree) would have been much better suited had he been 'allowed' to go 197lbs.

That being said, Endene's closest match last season was a 6-2 victory over a gent that Glazier Teched via 19-4 in 7:00.  Glazier's victory was at the beginning of the year, so there could have been a good amount of improvement from all three between the beginning and ends of the seasons, but that is the closest comparison you could get (right now).  I think Glazier found his groove AFTER that match, so there is that, too.

So me, I would put him in the fringe R12/R16 area at best right now.  How many teams are in need of that currently where they might be willing to shell out even a small back?  What teams?

"I know actually nothing.  It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me

 

 

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