Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 So if I heard correctly. None of these all star matches count towards anyone's record?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 19 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: So if I heard correctly. None of these all star matches count towards anyone's record?? Right, it has no effect on any seeding or rankings or records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajensen09 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Just now, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Right, it has no effect on any seeding or rankings or records. That's wild. I don't see this lasting in the future. Lewis got a free look at Carter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 1 minute ago, jajensen09 said: That's wild. I don't see this lasting in the future. Lewis got a free look at Carter They both wrestled each other as the last match of last season. It was basically the same outcome, so I don't think either of them got any new information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 20 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: So if I heard correctly. None of these all star matches count towards anyone's record?? Officially, no. But all Penn State fans take an oath to the belief that in 2018 Mark Hall lost the #1 seed to Zahid Valencia based on the all-star match. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interviewed_at_Weehawken Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, jajensen09 said: That's wild. I don't see this lasting in the future. Lewis got a free look at Carter It has been the case for decades. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 43 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Officially, no. But all Penn State fans take an oath to the belief that in 2018 Mark Hall lost the #1 seed to Zahid Valencia based on the all-star match. Is it true the oath also required signing a contact that said fans would solicit at least 5 themat forum buddies to also complain for the next 5 years about how Hall got cheated in seeding meeting and thus denied his easy path to the final? My understanding that Bob decided to make all continue to honor the contract on the new IM forum, just one more year of this nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 44 minutes ago, ionel said: Is it true the oath also required signing a contact that said fans would solicit at least 5 themat forum buddies to also complain for the next 5 years about how Hall got cheated in seeding meeting and thus denied his easy path to the final? My understanding that Bob decided to make all continue to honor the contract on the new IM forum, just one more year of this nonsense. There was an NDA involved. I have already said too much. 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 58 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said: There was an NDA involved. I have already said too much. Well someone's mum is a heaux... "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 By the way, who won the championship that year? I'm guessing Hall was seeded fairly correctly. mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, mspart said: By the way, who won the championship that year? I'm guessing Hall was seeded fairly correctly. mspart Seeds are not meant to be predictions or projections - same as rankings. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mspart Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Seeds are not meant to be predictions or projections - same as rankings. Then why seed? mspart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, nhs67 said: Seeds are not meant to be predictions or projections - same as rankings. Actually, the point of seeding is to ensure that what are predicted to be the best wrestlers reach the final 4 of the tournament. So they are predictions or projections in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 9, 2022 Author Share Posted December 9, 2022 Put another way, if you don't seed the wrestlers based on who you think the best wrestlers are...you could have #1 and #2 wrestle each other in the first round and #3 and #4 wrestle each other the first round and you are guaranteed that 1/2 of the top 4 are eliminated immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 I mean... you're wrong, but okay. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs67 Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, mspart said: Then why seed? mspart Seeding is to ensure that the wrestlers who have had better results, which often also means more results, are in order of expected finish. That doesn't mean predict the finish, it means that their results are graded to be better. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Put another way, if you don't seed the wrestlers based on who you think the best wrestlers are...you could have #1 and #2 wrestle each other in the first round and #3 and #4 wrestle each other the first round and you are guaranteed that 1/2 of the top 4 are eliminated immediately. Seeds are earned rather than rewarded. In that way they are more ranking than prediction. But rankings contain a degree of subjectivity (whether the Flo rankers want to admit it or not), so it can be hard to differentiate between a ranking and a prediction sometimes. An example, is quality wins. If two undefeated wrestlers do not wrestle the exact same schedule then some subjectivity comes into play to decide who is more deserving of the higher seed based on the quality of their wins. At the margin this is purely subjective and there is an element of a positive feedback loop. If wrestler A beats the #10 ranked wrestler and wrestler B beats the #11 ranked wrestler it is tempting to say wrestler A had a higher quality win, but who is to say that the original ranks were 100% accurate? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrestleknownothing Posted December 9, 2022 Share Posted December 9, 2022 Do we see a different strategy from Mekhi Lewis come NCAA's? At the last NCAA and in this match at the start of the 2nd period once Starocci gets to his feet Lewis gives up on the ride. At NCAA he started out looking to ride, but gave up pretty quickly, getting 10 or 11 seconds of RT at the start of the second and in this match he seems even less committed to the ride. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 3:01 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Do we see a different strategy from Mekhi Lewis come NCAA's? At the last NCAA and in this match at the start of the 2nd period once Starocci gets to his feet Lewis gives up on the ride. At NCAA he started out looking to ride, but gave up pretty quickly, getting 10 or 11 seconds of RT at the start of the second and in this match he seems even less committed to the ride. After watching mehki’s match tonight and his loss the labs, it looks like he’s attempting to be more offensive vs reattacks. He struggled to finish on labs but did better tonight vs mocco. He had two other shots that were almost TDs tonight. He’ll need to polish his finishes up to beat Carter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Cinnabon Posted December 12, 2022 Author Share Posted December 12, 2022 On 12/9/2022 at 3:01 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Do we see a different strategy from Mekhi Lewis come NCAA's? At the last NCAA and in this match at the start of the 2nd period once Starocci gets to his feet Lewis gives up on the ride. At NCAA he started out looking to ride, but gave up pretty quickly, getting 10 or 11 seconds of RT at the start of the second and in this match he seems even less committed to the ride. Or could it be that Mekhi is just not a great rider? He has awesome defense and reattacks, but I don't think he's really known for a being a hammer on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said: Or could it be that Mekhi is just not a great rider? He has awesome defense and reattacks, but I don't think he's really known for a being a hammer on top. Cenzo might think he’s a hammer since mehki cradled him in the natty finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 58 minutes ago, creek chub said: Cenzo might think he’s a hammer since mehki cradled him in the natty finals Cenzo actually said he tried to bait Mehki into trying that cradle but underestimated Mehki's strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creek chub Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Pinnacle said: Cenzo actually said he tried to bait Mehki into trying that cradle but underestimated Mehki's strength. Epic miscalculation if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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