Has there ever been...

[Tripnsweep]

Zadick was #1 his senior year and I think he was 7th or 8th. 

[Jim L]

  On 3/1/2024 at 3:13 AM, Fadzaev2 said:

I'm always at NCAA's....#45, 39 in row, and Mallory was D2 (Montclair State)....his coach was Jim Peckham, who along with Bill Wieck (Mt. Carmel,ILL.) coached some of the USA teams in the early 70's.

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Mallory (Montclair St)  was DIII guy. Peckham was his club coach as he did not have a HS team. Only competed in Mass States once, his senior were he won. He ended up winning four NCAA titles (1 DI and 3 DIII) 

[PortaJohn]

  On 3/1/2024 at 4:32 AM, Tripnsweep said:

Zadick was #1 his senior year and I think he was 7th or 8th. 

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He took 7th.  Maldonado the #7 seed took 6th

[11986]

  On 3/1/2024 at 4:32 AM, Tripnsweep said:

Zadick was #1 his senior year and I think he was 7th or 8th. 

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Percival from Ohio put a beating on him in quarters. 

[gimpeltf]

  On 3/1/2024 at 1:38 PM, 11986 said:

Percival from Ohio put a beating on him in quarters. 

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I remember I was walking around the far side of the mats from this mat for some reason. What a roar from the Ohio U crowd! 

[TylerDurden]

  On 2/29/2024 at 7:24 PM, Wrestleknownothing said:

Pretty wild to think that the last 13 times a #7 seed has made the final, they have lost.

Until you realize that all 13 times the #7 hit the #1 in the final.

For the #7 to win (or #10, etc), they really need the #1 to get knocked off first.

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How many of the 13 No. 7 seed finalists beat the No. 2 seed?

My assumption is that it's unlikely, but it would be interesting if they all wrestled exactly to the assumed seed after beating the No. 2.

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/1/2024 at 2:06 PM, TylerDurden said:

How many of the 13 No. 7 seed finalists beat the No. 2 seed?

My assumption is that it's unlikely, but it would be interesting if they all wrestled exactly to the assumed seed after beating the No. 2.

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10, 2, 3 is the highest seeds the 7 could beat on the way to the final. That happened 6 of 13 times.

There was also a UR, 2, 3 combo. So beating 2 and 3 happened 7 of 13 times.

But just beating 2 with any other combination happened 12 of 13 times.

That makes sense since in the 12 seed era (10 of the 13 years) the 2 would get UR, UR before meeting the 7. In the 16 seed era (2 of the years) it was UR, 15. And last year it was 31, 15.

[Tripnsweep]

  On 3/1/2024 at 1:38 PM, 11986 said:

Percival from Ohio put a beating on him in quarters. 

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[wrestle87]

Discussing 8th seeds making it, wasn't rob rohn also an 8 seed when he won in 2002?

[Paul158]

  On 3/1/2024 at 12:42 PM, Jim L said:

Mallory (Montclair St)  was DIII guy. Peckham was his club coach as he did not have a HS team. Only competed in Mass States once, his senior were he won. He ended up winning four NCAA titles (1 DI and 3 DIII) 

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That is really incredible. Did not have a high school team . Which means he did not have a normal wrestling season. Yet won his state championship. 

[Paul158]

  On 3/1/2024 at 4:07 PM, Tripnsweep said:

 

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  On 3/1/2024 at 4:07 PM, Tripnsweep said:

 

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17 to 4 . Wow that a beat down. Jake was a tough guy.  Did Jake end up having some injuries that really hampered his career?

[Tripnsweep]

  On 3/1/2024 at 11:22 PM, Paul158 said:

That is really incredible. Did not have a high school team . Which means he did not have a normal wrestling season. Yet won his state championship. 

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Carlton Haselrig was the same. 

[Paul158]

  On 3/1/2024 at 11:46 PM, Tripnsweep said:

Carlton Haselrig was the same. 

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Yes . Carlton was pretty good. May he rest in peace.

[Hammerlock3]

  On 3/1/2024 at 4:07 PM, Tripnsweep said:

 

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watching the way zadick ran off the mat after that match always makes me feel terrible for him, dudes in shock.

[11986]

  On 3/2/2024 at 12:32 AM, Hammerlock3 said:

watching the way zadick ran off the mat after that match always makes me feel terrible for him, dudes in shock.

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The old Iowa run off after an NCAA loss was this one much different?

[Hammerlock3]

  On 3/2/2024 at 12:40 AM, 11986 said:

The old Iowa run off after an NCAA loss was this one much different?

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are you trying to be funny when you say iowa guys running off the mat is specific to ncaa losses?

[11986]

  On 3/2/2024 at 1:52 AM, Hammerlock3 said:

are you trying to be funny when you say iowa guys running off the mat is specific to ncaa losses?

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I never try to be funny and I’m really not ever

[Idaho]

Not sure how often this has happened in D1 but today at the NAIA nationals the top 8 seeds at 133 will all place in the top 8 - not in order but all 8 will be in the top 8   Heavy has 7 of the 8 seeds placing 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/2/2024 at 2:52 AM, Idaho said:

Not sure how often this has happened in D1 but today at the NAIA nationals the top 8 seeds at 133 will all place in the top 8 - not in order but all 8 will be in the top 8   Heavy has 7 of the 8 seeds placing 

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It has happened twice in recent years. But I only looked back to 2010.

[Wrestleknownothing]

Complete List:

1. 1988 - 150
2. 1991 - 118
3. 1992 - 158
4. 1993 - 177
5. 1998 - 134
6. 1998 - 167
7. 2000 - 149
8. 2004 - 133
9. 2006 - 149
10. 2008 - 285
11. 2011 - 174
12. 2013 - 133
13. 2014 - 174

 

[Idaho]

Nice work gents! 13 times but Not in the last 10 years.  I’m guessing they never have finished in the order of seeding. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 3/2/2024 at 4:11 AM, Idaho said:

Nice work gents! 13 times but Not in the last 10 years.  I’m guessing they never have finished in the order of seeding. 

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None have been in order. There is a five way tie for the closest. 2013 - 133 above is an example of one of the five. The absolute difference between seeds and places was 6.

[cowcards]

Few fun facts about seeds = placement:

580 times the final place matched the seed

The most in a single weight class is 5, which has happened 9x (2017 - 197 is the most recent)

• 4 = 31x
• 3 = 94x
• 2 = 189x
• 1 = 257x

Back when there were only 4 seeds the placements were exact in 1942 @ 155 & 1959 @ 130. It has never happened with more than 4 seeds.

The weight with the most seed=places is 177, which has happened 67x.

The most times in a year it has happened is 2006 with 25.

The least amount of times in a year (with at least 8 seeds) is 2007 with only 9x.

Per seed - the number of times it has happened:

• 401 (1st)
• 232 (2nd)
• 137 (3rd)
• 110 (4th)
• 68 (5th)
• 60 (6th)
• 44 (7th)
• 34 (8th)

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[Idaho]

  On 3/2/2024 at 5:42 AM, cowcards said:

Few fun facts about seeds = placement:

580 times the final place matched the seed

The most in a single weight class is 5, which has happened 9x (2017 - 197 is the most recent)

• 4 = 31x
• 3 = 94x
• 2 = 189x
• 1 = 257x

Back when there were only 4 seeds the placements were exact in 1942 @ 155 & 1959 @ 130. It has never happened with more than 4 seeds.

The weight with the most seed=places is 177, which has happened 67x.

The most times in a year it has happened is 2006 with 25.

The least amount of times in a year (with at least 8 seeds) is 2007 with only 9x.

Per seed - the number of times it has happened:

• 401 (1st)
• 232 (2nd)
• 137 (3rd)
• 110 (4th)
• 68 (5th)
• 60 (6th)
• 44 (7th)
• 34 (8th)

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You win. Nice work. 

[ionel]

  On 3/2/2024 at 4:55 AM, Wrestleknownothing said:

None have been in order. There is a five way tie for the closest. 2013 - 133 above is an example of one of the five. The absolute difference between seeds and places was 6.

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1942 155lb bracket finished exactly as seeded, think that gives an absolute difference of 0.