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12 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

You think? 

People born with both sets of sex organs. Where do they fall? 

A very very rare genetic defect.  What does their chromosomes say?  Biologically speaking there are only two sexes, male and female.  If you think you are something other than what your biology indicates than you have a mental health issue.  Not saying that it is bad, or they are "wrong", or should be treated poorly because of it.  it just is what it is from a biological perspective.  I look at in in the same sense of I am short and can't jump and others are tall and can jump extremely high...our genetics are different.

As for the person who was assaulted in the bathroom, I'll wait until all details are known before making any ASSumptions or expressed opinions.  But will say that if someone was assaulted unprovoked the perpetrators should be held responsible to full extent of the law...regardless of how the victim may identify as.  To me I am not even sure why this post was started.  Where are all the posts for the 1000's of kids that probably get assaulted every single day?  Yes I know the answer to this question...just pointing out how ridiculous it is for people to use tragic situations to feign outrage and virtue signal.

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1 minute ago, Bigbrog said:

A very very rare genetic defect.  What does their chromosomes say?  Biologically speaking there are only two sexes, male and female.  If you think you are something other than what your biology indicates than you have a mental health issue.  Not saying that it is bad, or they are "wrong", or should be treated poorly because of it.  it just is what it is from a biological perspective.  I look at in in the same sense of I am short and can't jump and others are tall and can jump extremely high...our genetics are different.

As for the person who was assaulted in the bathroom, I'll wait until all details are known before making any ASSumptions or expressed opinions.  But will say that if someone was assaulted unprovoked the perpetrators should be held responsible to full extent of the law...regardless of how the victim may identify as.  To me I am not even sure why this post was started.  Where are all the posts for the 1000's of kids that probably get assaulted every single day?  Yes I know the answer to this question...just pointing out how ridiculous it is for people to use tragic situations to feign outrage and virtue signal.

No, intersex people have a different combination of chromosomes, such as XXY. If you want to go off chromosomes, there are at least 10 sexes discovered so far.

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2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, intersex people have a different combination of chromosomes, such as XXY. If you want to go off chromosomes, there are at least 10 sexes discovered so far.

Biologically speaking those are genetic defects

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25 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

A very very rare genetic defect.  What does their chromosomes say?  Biologically speaking there are only two sexes, male and female.  If you think you are something other than what your biology indicates than you have a mental health issue.  Not saying that it is bad, or they are "wrong", or should be treated poorly because of it.  it just is what it is from a biological perspective.  I look at in in the same sense of I am short and can't jump and others are tall and can jump extremely high...our genetics are different.

As for the person who was assaulted in the bathroom, I'll wait until all details are known before making any ASSumptions or expressed opinions.  But will say that if someone was assaulted unprovoked the perpetrators should be held responsible to full extent of the law...regardless of how the victim may identify as.  To me I am not even sure why this post was started.  Where are all the posts for the 1000's of kids that probably get assaulted every single day?  Yes I know the answer to this question...just pointing out how ridiculous it is for people to use tragic situations to feign outrage and virtue signal.

A few fair points. 

I think the word 'defect' stands out a bit. As if it is bad or that person is inferior for having been born this way. It could very well be a benefit in the long run that these conditions become more normal. 

Not sure its necessarily a mental health issue across the board. Some people are perfectly happy expressing their gender as different from how they were assigned at birth. With no ill effects, mentally. 

Not sure that analogy fits. You're not asking someone to celebrate you dunking a ball when you clearly haven't done it. Transgender people are asking that they are not harassed for not wanting to dunk the ball even though they 'clearly' can. 

Have you heard the expression, 'If everything is a priority then nothing is.'? It seems as if that is what you're advocating for. All those other things are wrong and should and hopefully are being investigated. Are you questioning the reason for this post because you are uncomfortable with the subject matter?  A reason for this post would be two fold: 1. that this is happening. We might not know for sure the reason for this attack, but people have and are being attacked for no reason other than they buck the norm and make people uncomfortable as being transgender. Lawmakers in Oklahoma saying that transgender people ARE mentally ill, which you mentioned. That carries a stigma to it as if they are dangerous and need to be separated from society for their and our benefit.  2. Although the numbers are growing, akin to when gay individuals started feeling safer to come out and more were found to have always existed, they still represent a vanishingly small number of people. Those people find push back, sometimes violently, for merely choosing to exist in far too many places. And state governments look to target transgender people by disallowing them access to health care options. 

 

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57 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

Biologically speaking those are genetic defects

Correct.    And this trans discussion we are having as a nation is not about these individuals.   It is about people thinking they can change their sex and have everyone else go along for the charade.   Like men who say they are women going in women's bathrooms and changing rooms.   Like men who say they are women who compete in women's sports.  In Canada there is a 50 year old guy thinking he is female and swimming against 13 year old girls.   And showering and dressing with them.  I guess he is pretending he is a young teen girl as well.  

That has nothing to do with chromosomal issues as just brought up.   That is a red herring argument to make and anyone who is intellectually honest does not go there. 

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54 minutes ago, mspart said:

Correct.    And this trans discussion we are having as a nation is not about these individuals.   It is about people thinking they can change their sex and have everyone else go along for the charade.   Like men who say they are women going in women's bathrooms and changing rooms.   Like men who say they are women who compete in women's sports.  In Canada there is a 50 year old guy thinking he is female and swimming against 13 year old girls.   And showering and dressing with them.  I guess he is pretending he is a young teen girl as well.  

That has nothing to do with chromosomal issues as just brought up.   That is a red herring argument to make and anyone who is intellectually honest does not go there. 

mspart

That’s right, and if the virtue signalers wait until the story comes out that the boy who was pretending to be a girl was ‘bullied’ by girls who didn’t want to share the bathroom with him, and after he attacked them, they pinched and scratched him and pulled his hair, and the next day he died of a drug overdose, it’s just not as good a soapbox anymore.  There’s definitely a mental deficiency involved.  I would send the parents for immediate evaluation.  

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17 hours ago, mspart said:

Correct.    And this trans discussion we are having as a nation is not about these individuals.   It is about people thinking they can change their sex and have everyone else go along for the charade.   Like men who say they are women going in women's bathrooms and changing rooms.   Like men who say they are women who compete in women's sports.  In Canada there is a 50 year old guy thinking he is female and swimming against 13 year old girls.   And showering and dressing with them.  I guess he is pretending he is a young teen girl as well.  

That has nothing to do with chromosomal issues as just brought up.   That is a red herring argument to make and anyone who is intellectually honest does not go there. 

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It is people feeling that they do not fit in the box that they and we have put them in and would rather exist on their own terms. I know its difficult to understand that you've been taking part in something you didn't actively choose to do. But you have. Choices you make and things you support work to move culture one way or another. People feel pressure to do things or be a certain way based on that societal pressure. When people or groups push back against the 'norm' is when we have these kinds of issues. Civil rights in the 50's and 60's is a stark example of people that did not want to abide by the 'norms' of the day. Today we would say, 'Duh, of course those were not good norms to follow and its better that they did the things they needed to do to make change'. 

I challenge you to find any difference(other than cosmetic) in the conversation of trans-rights versus civil rights in the 50's and 60's. 

A group in power/control is afraid of what 'might' happen if a minority of the population are given equal access to... things. Be it civil rights, health care, political capital, name it. They fear the world they will step into if this tiny % of people are now considered equal and deserving of similar rights and privileges as them. They are unsure how it will effect their ability to provide for themselves and their families. Or if they should fear back lash from that group. Knowing how the trans community has been treated in the past and likely in the near future and that they played a critical role in that treatment and the denying of said rights. Being on the wrong side of history in the moment is a tough reality to come to. The conservative community seems to do it every decade or so and has a very hard time recognizing it in the moment. 

 

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50 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

It is people feeling that they do not fit in the box that they and we have put them in and would rather exist on their own terms. I know its difficult to understand that you've been taking part in something you didn't actively choose to do. But you have. Choices you make and things you support work to move culture one way or another. People feel pressure to do things or be a certain way based on that societal pressure. When people or groups push back against the 'norm' is when we have these kinds of issues. Civil rights in the 50's and 60's is a stark example of people that did not want to abide by the 'norms' of the day. Today we would say, 'Duh, of course those were not good norms to follow and its better that they did the things they needed to do to make change'. 

I challenge you to find any difference(other than cosmetic) in the conversation of trans-rights versus civil rights in the 50's and 60's. 

A group in power/control is afraid of what 'might' happen if a minority of the population are given equal access to... things. Be it civil rights, health care, political capital, name it. They fear the world they will step into if this tiny % of people are now considered equal and deserving of similar rights and privileges as them. They are unsure how it will effect their ability to provide for themselves and their families. Or if they should fear back lash from that group. Knowing how the trans community has been treated in the past and likely in the near future and that they played a critical role in that treatment and the denying of said rights. Being on the wrong side of history in the moment is a tough reality to come to. The conservative community seems to do it every decade or so and has a very hard time recognizing it in the moment. 

 

SMH...my guess is that you are very young and have spent your whole life in academia.  I sure hope what you wrote makes you feel so much better about yourself...because other than serving that purpose it is nothing but blow hard, victimhood, virtue signaling.  In the REAL world, here is the situation...people are different...people have mental health issues (I know I have them at times)...but everybody has equal rights to pretty much everything regardless of their differences.  But what people like you and others can't wrap your head around is that it isn't someone's "right" to compete against girls just because they feel they are a girl when in fact they are a biological male.  It isn't someone's "right" to use the bathroom at the same time as someone of the opposite biological sex.  Etc. 

As for inferring how I or even a certain group of people actually feel about something, you maybe need to take the victimhood glasses off and just listen to what we/others are saying and quit inferring things that aren't true.  I have no problem with anyone who wants to think they are something other than what their biology says they are (that isn't a societal construct by the way).  I am 100% support of equal rights for everyone, except criminals of violent crimes.  I don't think anyone, or any group of people should be oppressed.  I don't think anyone should be judged based on their skin color, race, sexual orientation, etc., but rather judged based on who they are as a person.  But here is the kicker...in the real world, there are ALWAYS going to be a-holes who do very bad things...that will never change.  We should always be vigilant and stop those people as much as we can, but we also shouldn't play victim at every turn and then blame half the country for those a-holes in society...who more than likely have a genetic defect themselves!

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2 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

SMH...my guess is that you are very young and have spent your whole life in academia.  I sure hope what you wrote makes you feel so much better about yourself...because other than serving that purpose it is nothing but blow hard, victimhood, virtue signaling.  In the REAL world, here is the situation...people are different...people have mental health issues (I know I have them at times)...but everybody has equal rights to pretty much everything regardless of their differences.  But what people like you and others can't wrap your head around is that it isn't someone's "right" to compete against girls just because they feel they are a girl when in fact they are a biological male.  It isn't someone's "right" to use the bathroom at the same time as someone of the opposite biological sex.  Etc. 

As for inferring how I or even a certain group of people actually feel about something, you maybe need to take the victimhood glasses off and just listen to what we/others are saying and quit inferring things that aren't true.  I have no problem with anyone who wants to think they are something other than what their biology says they are (that isn't a societal construct by the way).  I am 100% support of equal rights for everyone, except criminals of violent crimes.  I don't think anyone, or any group of people should be oppressed.  I don't think anyone should be judged based on their skin color, race, sexual orientation, etc., but rather judged based on who they are as a person.  But here is the kicker...in the real world, there are ALWAYS going to be a-holes who do very bad things...that will never change.  We should always be vigilant and stop those people as much as we can, but we also shouldn't play victim at every turn and then blame half the country for those a-holes in society...who more than likely have a genetic defect themselves!

I haven't seen and you haven't offered an example of someone demanding they or another be able to compete in a sport akin to your scenario. Arrangements have been made. Benchmarks have been met. Permission has been requested and granted. No one is twisting an arm to get this. They are going through the proper channels and being met with quite fervent pushback. Which is not surprising. Also there has there been a case where the 'safety' of other athletes was deemed to be at risk other than in theory?  cuz I imagine if that had actually happened some would move at lightening speed to post it. 

BTW, what do you consider 'virtue signaling'? I wouldn't want to put words in your mouth. Maybe I am and don't realize it. Can you point out where in my post I was doing that? 

 

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1 hour ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

. Also there has there been a case where the 'safety' of other athletes was deemed to be at risk other than in theory?  cuz I imagine if that had actually happened some would move at lightening speed to post it. 

 

 

Try reading something that's outside your lefty wheelhouse. You will find many many examples.

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