NCAA Dual Team Championship

[Gene Mills Fan]

I love a dual tournament as a fan. This year it's out.

What extra duals do we need to see this year to determine a dual Championship team?

 

I think the only duals that I would like to see that I won't see this year to settle the top 5 would be: PSU/OKST UNI/IOWA  tOSU/UNI  We saw #3/4 Nebraska vs #1 PSU and it wasn't very close.  there is no guarantee that we would see any of these either in a dual championship. 

Just this year please  

[BruceyB]

3 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I love a dual tournament as a fan. This year it's out.

What extra duals do we need to see this year to determine a dual Championship team?

 

I think the only duals that I would like to see that I won't see this year to settle the top 5 would be: PSU/OKST UNI/IOWA  tOSU/UNI  We saw #3/4 Nebraska vs #1 PSU and it wasn't very close.  there is no guarantee that we would see any of these either in a dual championship. 

Just this year please  

OKST/PSU is the only meaningful dual that we won't see.

You'd have match-ups that are in the balance at 125, 133, 141, 174, and 285, plus #1 vs #3 at 184, and Barr would be a heavy favorite, but I'd still be interested to see the match between him and Surber.

[fishbane]

11 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I love a dual tournament as a fan. This year it's out.

What extra duals do we need to see this year to determine a dual Championship team?

 

I think the only duals that I would like to see that I won't see this year to settle the top 5 would be: PSU/OKST UNI/IOWA  tOSU/UNI  We saw #3/4 Nebraska vs #1 PSU and it wasn't very close.  there is no guarantee that we would see any of these either in a dual championship. 

Just this year please  

Though he's never really given a direct reason why they don't do it, I think this might be why Sanderson did National Duals at ISU and hasn't at PSU.  In the Big Ten PSU wrestles nearly all the top teams anyway.  When the NWCA did the bowl style matchups in 2016 and 2017 they wrestled OSU who was ranked 2nd one year and 3rd the other year.  It was the highest ranked team PSU had not yet wrestled.  He probably sees having a 16 team tournament to at the end possibly get one quality dual that they wouldn't wrestle anyway as a waste of time. All the national title contenders are either in the Big Ten or the Big 12 anyway, but have the two team champs wrestle.

[BruceyB]

5 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Though he's never really given a direct reason why they don't do it, I think this might be why Sanderson did National Duals at ISU and hasn't at PSU.  In the Big Ten PSU wrestles nearly all the top teams anyway.  When the NWCA did the bowl style matchups in 2016 and 2017 they wrestled OSU who was ranked 2nd one year and 3rd the other year.  It was the highest ranked team PSU had not yet wrestled.  He probably sees having a 16 team tournament to at the end possibly get one quality dual that they wouldn't wrestle anyway as a waste of time. All the national title contenders are either in the Big Ten or the Big 12 anyway, but have the two team champs wrestle.

I actually think this is an amazing idea if we aren't going to make any huge changes to the current system. It would essentially be like the old Rosebowl between the Pac10 and Big10. Winning the Rosebowl was a huge deal in the 90s.

But if we're being realistic, right now the real let down is that we don't see PSU and Oklahoma State dual. OKST vs Iowa, Iowa vs Penn State, and OKST vs Penn State are the biggest duals in college wrestling, and we should see them every year.

[fishbane]

5 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I actually think this is an amazing idea if we aren't going to make any huge changes to the current system. It would essentially be like the old Rosebowl between the Pac10 and Big10. Winning the Rosebowl was a huge deal in the 90s.

But if we're being realistic, right now the real let down is that we don't see PSU and Oklahoma State dual. OKST vs Iowa, Iowa vs Penn State, and OKST vs Penn State are the biggest duals in college wrestling, and we should see them every year.

Yeah I don't know why the NWCA National Duals Championship Series or whatever they called it back in 2016 and 2017 died.  I suspect it was all the other largely irrelevant matchups didn't generate interest.  I think Iowa wrestled Edinboro in it one year and Edinboro were far off their 2015 peak by that point.  Pretty sure Lugo upset Sorenson in that dual.  Had no issues streaming that on Flo which was far different than the OSU-PSU streaming fiasco.  It was pretty much PSU vs OSU both years.  

[VakAttack]

27 minutes ago, fishbane said:

Yeah I don't know why the NWCA National Duals Championship Series or whatever they called it back in 2016 and 2017 died.  I suspect it was all the other largely irrelevant matchups didn't generate interest.  I think Iowa wrestled Edinboro in it one year and Edinboro were far off their 2015 peak by that point.  Pretty sure Lugo upset Sorenson in that dual.  Had no issues streaming that on Flo which was far different than the OSU-PSU streaming fiasco.  It was pretty much PSU vs OSU both years.  

Basically teams, specifically Penn State and Iowa (Iowa most famously because that's where the "oranges" thing originated) refused to wrestle certain teams.